[CliveG]

Humankind is paying the price of greed and capitalism. Most scientists have been very afraid of a major pandemic and have been saying it is just a matter of time. Yet what has been done? As soon as SARS and MERS died out, so did the research and the funding. Yet these corona viruses were the most obvious threat.

As previous stated, God has to just watch as humankind facilitates its own die-off. Will humankind learn the lessons? Does not seem likely. After all, here I am, giving you some information and people do not change or think about the implications. I hope I am around to see if some change does occur. I would prefer to observe it here on Earth rather than in the afterlife.

[Bored chemist]

They include signals emanating FROM the cranium. I do not have any electronics in my head. Do you?

Yes (assuming that you consider anything which produces a signal as "electronics")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography
And, if you are not dead, so do you.



Thanks for clarifying your level of ignorance.

And you believe such garbage as opposed to what I tell you?

Are you sure you really want to ask that?
Do I believe the outcome of a study  by researchers at MIT or a man who believes in tarot cards?

The bottom line is that signals do not get through the foil hat

Nobody said they did. Nobody said they needed to
The real bottom line is a higher exposure (in some cases) with than without.

I suspect you don't understand how resonance  affects this sort of thing.

Must be paid cell industry trolls - aiming to discredit any credible evidence.

You are claiming that your unsupported observation and guesswork are more credible than MIT's PHD researchers.
Do you have any idea how funny that is?

I should try this experiment with my meter. Take half a water melon with the inner stuff removed. Put my meter into it with the small non-directional aerial. Put a foil cap on. How much are you willing to bet that there is significant attenuation?

Well, obviously it depends on a whole lot of things.
But you are making the tacit claim that it can never be amplified.
Are you sure about that?

Yet these corona viruses were the most obvious threat.

Not really.
Until last December coronavirus was pretty much restricted to some (about 17%) common colds and SARS and MERS- which are betacoronoviridae and had died out.
On the other hand, influenza- which is not a coronavirus but a orthomyxovirus- kills thousands every year (in spite of mass vaccination).

What you are saying is that it was obvious that we should focus our limited resources on the viruses that had died out, rather than the one that was killing people.

Were you expecting to be taken seriously?

After all, here I am, giving you some information and people do not change or think about the implications.

That's because your "information" is wrong, and this is a science site.

[CliveG]

Are you sure you really want to ask that?
Do I believe the outcome of a study  by researchers at MIT or a man who believes in tarot cards?

I am an electrical engineer who has experience with radio. I worked in a company that had its own testing room for radio emissions to check that the devices we produced (such as the first LED truck brake lights) met the emissions standards. I understand resonance, reflection and absorption. I was one who did the testing, and worked with outside labs for qualification testing.

Your criteria for acceptance of evidence and facts is woefully lacking in this example. Where are the peer-reviewed publications?

I notice you are not prepared to donate a large sum of money to charity should my test prove me right. One of your tactics is avoidance of facts you do not like. Avoidance is the cousin of denial (not deniece of denephew).

[CliveG]

Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 13:46:14

    Must be paid cell industry trolls - aiming to discredit any credible evidence.

You are claiming that your unsupported observation and guesswork are more credible than MIT's PHD researchers.
Do you have any idea how funny that is?
Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 13:46:14

    I should try this experiment with my meter. Take half a water melon with the inner stuff removed. Put my meter into it with the small non-directional aerial. Put a foil cap on. How much are you willing to bet that there is significant attenuation?

Well, obviously it depends on a whole lot of things.
But you are making the tacit claim that it can never be amplified.
Are you sure about that?

To be amplified the signal must either be actively strengthened by input from an amplifier or there must be resonance or combination of signals. Resonance does not take place if there is a lossy medium absorbing the signal - in this case a head and brain. Combination can take place if the signal is directed upward toward the chin and what will happen is that the inner curve of the helmet will focus (combine or concentrate) the photons toward the center. But once more we have to deal with the case with a helmet that has a lossy head in it. The signal will be absorbed before it gets to be reflected. Besides, in our home the signal came from above. I also had my face turned away from the tower.

Just because it is possible (and I accept that it is) to get resonance and concentration under some very specific circumstance does not mean you can apply the principle to a simple head shield which does the work of severely attenuating the microwaves in one's head. It is possible that a ball bounced against a wall may just pass through it, given the principles of quantum physics, but would you apply that everyday common sense tennis?

Why not accept you are wrong and admit it?

The article you cited talks about various frequencies, and this is one of the criteria which they do not specify. There is not description of what they did. Do you have a link that details that?

[CliveG]

Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 13:54:29

    After all, here I am, giving you some information and people do not change or think about the implications.

That's because your "information" is wrong, and this is a science site.

I am forced to repeat myself because you are so stubborn about what you believe and why. Science is about observations of how our universe works and how it evolved. You choose to limit yourself to common everyday provable areas of science and ignore anything that is still not fully understood.

You make a blunt statement that I am wrong - an absolute based on what? You will not admit that there is a possibility that I am right.

You cannot point out contradictions in anything I say. And I am a grounded engineer who makes no money from psychic events or reading Tarot cards. I started reading Tarot cards to explore whether they work or not. With me reading them, they give results that are better than making an uniformed decision where the choices look equally good or equally bad.

[CliveG]

Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 13:54:29

    Yet these corona viruses were the most obvious threat.

Not really.
Until last December coronavirus was pretty much restricted to some (about 17%) common colds and SARS and MERS- which are betacoronoviridae and had died out.
On the other hand, influenza- which is not a coronavirus but a orthomyxovirus- kills thousands every year (in spite of mass vaccination).

What you are saying is that it was obvious that we should focus our limited resources on the viruses that had died out, rather than the one that was killing people.

Do you accept that in the last decade the scientific community was saying that a pandemic was overdue and was not a case of "if" but "when".

Look at the impact. Not just of lives but of economic disruption. One needs to read about the towns in the USA impacted by the Spanish Flu. Only one third of people in some cases died of the disease. Others died of lack of food and a collapse of infrastructure like fire and ambulance services.

You say it was not economic at the time. No-one wants to make hard decisions to save the planet. It will be a matter of waiting for the inevitable. Part of the information I am giving is why God is not preventing it. It is not because he does not exist. It is because humankind must learn a lesson. The analogy of God being like a father is appropriate - a father lets his children make mistakes - but tries to prevent the mistakes from being fatal.

Over-population is the main cause of many problems. Climate change and pollution are a direct result. Destruction of the environment is another. The old systems of natural crop rotation is preferable but the population demands volume rather than quality. Paul Erlich was right about the population bomb but wrong in the predicting that limited food would cause the die-off. Science found ways to increase food yields - but it was profitable and hence succeeded.

How does humankind limit its own population? The expected improvement in living standards has not come about and the population is growing exponentially. Even the one-child policy that China had did not work although it could be said it was a key driver to growth. Instead of feeding 8 children, the parents gave the one child the best.

One needs a family of about five to ten couples to share in the raising of five to ten children. That would ease the desire to breed. It would help the children to grow in communal caring. But it would need special skills to avoid conflict. Religion would help but must adapt without becoming cults.

My information removes the barriers between religions. They can still practice but be less ritualistist and less rigid. It would allow skeptics to see some rationale and to deal with some of the so-called anomalies. Humankind MUST cooperate if it is to survive.

[Bored chemist]

Where are the peer-reviewed publications?

What, the ones about tarot cards?
Or have you forgotten what we are comparing here.

Do you realise that there are frequencies where a brain isn't a good absorber?

In those cases your claim

Resonance does not take place if there is a lossy medium absorbing the signal - in this case a head and brain

is irrelevant.

I notice you are not prepared to donate a large sum of money to charity should my test prove me right.

I don't recall being asked.

One of your tactics is avoidance of facts you do not like.

Like what?

Cite examples please.

Avoidance is the cousin of denial (not deniece of denephew).

When push comes to shove; they measured a real effect.
You are seeking to deny it.
You are not in a position to lecture me about denial.

[Bored chemist]

Do you accept that in the last decade the scientific community was saying that a pandemic was overdue and was not a case of "if" but "when".

Yes.
But people were, understandably focussing on the bugs that were actually killing people (and mutating rapidly- as they do).

Yet you tried to claim this.

Yet these corona viruses were the most obvious threat.

[Bored chemist]

Look at the impact. Not just of lives but of economic disruption. One needs to read about the towns in the USA impacted by the Spanish Flu. Only one third of people in some cases died of the disease. Others died of lack of food and a collapse of infrastructure like fire and ambulance services.

At the time of the Spanish flu epidemic, nobody even knew what a virus was.
Nobody is denying that this outbreak will cause major problems.
It will not kill all the people. And it's essentially killing grandparents and great-grandparents.

So it's sod all use as population control.

Yes we need to curb our population.
But choosing (as the Pope and others do) to rely on plague and famine to achieve it, while opposing contraception tells you all you need to know about their "God".

[alancalverd]

At the time of the Spanish flu epidemic, nobody even knew what a virus was.

But they knew what it did! And wasn't it a corona virus? Nasty little buggers, created by a just and merciful god to punish the innocent.

[Bored chemist]

And wasn't it a corona virus?

No.
I think it was an orthomyxovirus, also "created by a just and merciful god to punish the innocent."

[CliveG]

Do you accept that in the last decade the scientific community was saying that a pandemic was overdue and was not a case of "if" but "when".

Yes.
But people were, understandably focussing on the bugs that were actually killing people (and mutating rapidly- as they do).

Yet you tried to claim this.

Yet these corona viruses were the most obvious threat.

I made the claim based on plain logic - pure and simple. No Tarot cards needed.

Here is the proof that I am right.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/07/coronavirus-epidemic-prediction-policy-advice-121172
...The news of a highly contagious new virus jumping from China to the U.S. has caught many Americans by surprise. For us, the outbreak was more like déjà vu: Last October, we convened a group of experts to work through what would happen if a global pandemic suddenly hit the world’s population. The disease at the heart of our scenario was a novel and highly transmissible coronavirus.

...We chose a new strain of coronavirus for our scenario because scientists agreed that this was a likely pathogen for a future epidemic; recent outbreaks such as SARS and MERS were also caused by the coronavirus family. The future we described was based on the research of deep subject matter experts who have studied recent epidemics, including our colleagues in the Center for Strategic and International Studies Global Health Security program and researchers with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

...In our scenario, the virus was highly transmissible and had a 3.125 percent lethality rate. So far, the true rate of the new virus is unknown, but according to the World Health Organization about 3.4 percent of reported COVID-19 cases have died.

...Our experts also projected that travel bans could have the unintended effect of worsening international cooperation and disrupting trade.

...We also assumed that nations would begin turning to fiscal and monetary stimulus to calm markets and prop up growth—a response we’re already seeing in the real world

[CliveG]

As with most disasters, governments and various agencies try to manipulate facts and present distortions while telling people not to accept fake news. Here is one that is once more plain logic.

Myth - Face masks are not effective.

This propaganda has a clear purpose. To stop panic buying of masks. There are news articles that reveal the truth - namely that masks are needed for the professionals.

When I first heard this two day ago I thought of why professionals wear masks. In the operating room the purpose IS to cut down on any pathogens breathed out. And yes, it helps dramatically to stop those who are infected from spreading droplets.

But when professionals go into an area suspected of infections they wear masks. It is logical that a mask will reduce the chance that droplets will go into one's lungs. This will reduce the "viral loading". It does not have to be perfect and it is not but it is effective.

So last night they said that the difference between professional and ordinary person is that the ordinary person does not know how to use the mask. Yeah right!

Six months ago our gardener was wearing a face mask because he was sick. And this went on for weeks. Eventually I figured out that the mask was capturing droplets which then built up and the germs multiplied in the moist material. I told him the masks were for one-time use.

I will not wear a face mask except in a really crowded area that may have problem other than corona virus. One reason is that I will eventually get the virus so delaying it does not seem meaningful. If one member of a household does delay it then they can look after others.

If I need a face mask I will wear a handkerchief with rubber bands. I will spray colloidal silver onto it. The silver is an excellent anti-pathogen. The pathogens have not been able to build resistance to it. Silver salts were the original antibiotics. The term "born with a silver spoon in the mouth" came from the rich putting silver spoons into the mouths of babies as a antibiotic. I can wash and reuse.

Have I got colloidal silver on hand? Of course. I prepared for what I knew was coming. But I will get more this morning for other family members.

Colloidal silver gel would probably be an excellent hand sanitizer - lasting while the silver stayed on.

To stop the rush on what I think is this product:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-televangelist-jim-bakker-silver-solution-coronavirus

[CliveG]

At the time of the Spanish flu epidemic, nobody even knew what a virus was.

But they knew what it did! And wasn't it a corona virus? Nasty little buggers, created by a just and merciful god to punish the innocent.

No created by God but humans in time of war. In Kansas. And spread by crowded troop trains and aided by war-time censorship.

God watched as he let man's freedom to kill himself do just that. Plus it aided in stopping WW1. AND was a message to humankind - here is a lesson about crowding and pathogens and fixes. Those who ignore the lessons of history, especially the God given ones, are bound to repeat them. Here we go again.

It is not just the corona virus. It is also about climate change and over-population and rape of the planet. How many scientists were, and still are, paid money by industry to put out fake science for people like Bored Chemist to use to reject and deny?

God help is in limiting these disasters. Spanish Flu died out so effectively that it ceased to exist - not even as a seasonal flu.

[CliveG]

A family member my age said that if the corona virus killed him he was okay with that. He had lived a great and eventful life. I agreed.

In my thread about cell towers I talked about various strategies I have to beat infections - particularly viruses. Bored Chemist may remember how he scoffed. So I am not too worried for myself. The younger members will not take my advice, and I worry about them. I am on oxygen anyway so if things get tough I do not need to go to hospital.

[CliveG]

Colloidal silver supposedly a myth:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51735367

I have no problem with people thinking so. Survival of the fittest is the mechanism. The stubborn rejectionists go first. The side effects only apply to people who drink gallons a week for years. Silver is used in the expensive dressings as a germicide.

I have lots of anecdotal evidence (including my own stories) that it works. One guy said that his dogs were always getting wounds for various reasons. When he used colloidal silver gel they healed up fast compared to the veterinary interventions. I just bought a 2.5 liter bottle to supplement the stock I have.

When I have a chest infection I use a nasal spray bottle and inhale the spray deeply. I also make sure I keep my temperature up and breathe warm air while keeping hydrated. I get rid of the occasional attack of flu in 24 hours.

A fever is part of the bodies mechanism for the immune system. There is an enzyme that is only activated at elevated body temperatures. Staying warm reduces the need for the body to produce fuel to maintain the temperature above ambient. Just stay out of hot cars parked in the baking sun and the body will be able to self-regulate.

How many of the readers here are going to take my advice? Not too many. So many people have been sensitized to avoid any alternative cure that could be labelled as "woo". I have found many cures for various issues, and it is my belief that God is helping me. When they said avoid red meat, eggs and salt I said "Farmers needed their breakfasts and soldiers were not paid their "salarium" in salt without good reason". The animal parks and farms put out salt licks.

I have other "cures" that "science" pooh-poohs. Why? Too simple and no profit is a basic motivation - and just because many "woos" use this against Big Pharma does not mean that there is no truth whatsoever in the statement. I have seen a lot of "science" that is clearly scare tactics against simple cures that have traditionally worked quite well.

[Bored chemist]

God watched as he let man's freedom to kill himself do just that.

And then God decided to kill even more.
Nice guy, isn't He?

I am on oxygen anyway so if things get tough I do not need to go to hospital.

True.
I'm in reasonably good heath- luck me.
If I'm taken ill in such a way that my lungs are unable to extract enough oxygen from air then (with luck) I will get taken to hospital and supplied with pure oxygen.
That gives me roughly 5 fold more "leeway" on oxygen capacity.

If you are already on oxygen and you get the same level of lung damage, you will die.
So, yes, you will need to go to hospital- specifically the morgue.

Being on oxygen already is not a benefit in this case.

[Bored chemist]

Silver is used in the expensive dressings as a germicide.

And the important distinction is that the dressings go OUTSIDE the patient.

[CliveG]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/
...After the SARS outbreak, the World Health Organization reported that the disease typically attacked the lungs in three phases: viral replication, immune hyper-reactivity, and pulmonary destruction.
...These holes are likely created by the immune system’s hyperactive response, which creates scars that both protect and stiffen the lungs.

I have lung scarring from both childhood pneumonia and from histoplasmosis. So my lungs will not be so affected with liquid. Plus the oxygen I am on already. So it seems God may be protecting me - and here I am complaining about the pain and problems I have.

It is interesting that Spanish Flu killed mainly people in their prime. 20 to 40 years olds. The immune system over-reacted with a cytokine storm flooding the lungs and drowning people. It seems that SARS-CoVid-2 (the corona virus) works in a similar fashion. But that does not explain the older people dying. Their immune systems are supposed to be weaker. There is a lack of information about how the virus kills. Science is battling to find answers.

Could it be that the young babies do not use cell phones yet to activate the virus? (Tongue in cheek on this one) 

[CliveG]

Silver is used in the expensive dressings as a germicide.

And the important distinction is that the dressings go OUTSIDE the patient.

Yes. I agree. I would not recommend eating the dressings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_uses_of_silver

...Though toxicity of silver is low, the human body has no biological use for silver and when inhaled, ingested, injected, or applied topically

...Hippocrates in his writings discussed the use of silver in wound care. At the beginning of the twentieth century surgeons routinely used silver sutures to reduce the risk of infection. In the early 20th century, physicians used silver-containing eyedrops to treat ophthalmic problems, for various infections, and sometimes internally for diseases such as tropical sprue, epilepsy, gonorrhea, and the common cold. During World War I, soldiers used silver leaf to treat infected wounds.

...Prior to the introduction of modern antibiotics, colloidal silver was used as a germicide and disinfectant. With the development of modern antibiotics in the 1940s, the use of silver as an antimicrobial agent diminished.