[Kryptid]

Assuming that it does work, this is still far from the end of the pandemic. More vulnerable people are still going to need hospital stays in order to get the treatment and so the medical system can still be overwhelmed.

[duffyd]

Assuming that it does work, this is still far from the end of the pandemic. More vulnerable people are still going to need hospital stays in order to get the treatment and so the medical system can still be overwhelmed.

I know, but what great news! Just when it seemed there wasn't any hope in the near term, researchers have identified some options that look promising. I believe the West can pool our resources and attack this monster with unprecedented resolve and everything necessary, the vents, the drugs, the beds, etc. to reign it in worldwide so that millions won't die. The Brits, the Americans, the French, Israelis, Germans, Japanese, Spaniards, etc. have the greatest medical minds in history and they can't be stopped.

[duffyd]

SOME AWESOME NEWS FOLKS
INGRAHAM: "Dr. Smith, we’re going to have you back — it’s a game changer. Correct?"
SMITH: "It’s a game changer. Absolutely, game changer. I think these data go to really support the French data. Now you actually have comparison saying that this regimen works and I will get some real statisticians besides my sons to look at that."
INGRAHAM: "Dr. Smith, thank you for all the work. You and I and our medicine cabinet of folks in all your colleagues, thank you."
SMITH: "Laura, I think this is the beginning of the end of the pandemic. I’m very serious."

[duffyd]

He didn't claim to be God, but he did state that he was the son of man. ?

RTFM.

Don't you agree that's just a bit disingenuous? You were presented with specific challenges to your proposal.

[duffyd]

Why so angry about God?

My anger is about the stupidity of people who waste their lives in the pointless worship of something that cannot possibly exist, or if it did, could not be affected by worship. And also towards the disgusting behavior of people who use god as an excuse for their perversions. Good deeds do not need an excuse.

You sound like an uneducated, biased, hateful, religious fundamentalist zealot

[duffyd]

He was not from this world. He said so

There is no evidence for that statement. Indeed in Mark 8:31 and elsewhere he clearly stated that he was the Son of Man. So you either accept the word of Jesus Christ, or the bullshit put about by those who have cobbled together a spurious religion around his name. I always prefer the former, which, like most of what he said,  is consistent with everyday observation and common sense.

Reading that I was convinced you would love the chance to back it up. This is life and death stuff. I get your hatred. I had been overflowing, consumed with hatred for years and it practically killed me and my friendships, the few I had left.
It is the strangest thing arguing on this side of the issue. For me it all boils down to simple stuff. They kept telling me He loved me. I thought they were crazy. One day I thought, "What if He does love me? He doesn't, but what if. What if I asked Him if He is real to show me? I know He won't. He doesn't exist, so what the heck. Can't lose anything. 'Jesus, okay, if you're there, come on in.'" And I forgot about it for 9 months.
That's the one thing I don't get. It's free. What can anyone lose by finding out by asking him to reveal himself? How hard is that?

[CliveG]

Here is an example of what gives psychics a bad name. If one reads her history and back-gound she is a fraud. That does not mean that Satan may have just given her a true piece of information in order to mess with out minds. I think she based some of her prediction on the 1918 Spanish Flu. She refused to work with James Randi. I would not refuse, although I would say that testing me would be unlikely to work.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sylvia-browne-coronavirus/
...In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.
...We therefore rate this claim “Mixture.” Although it could be argued that stating a respiratory illness would sweep through the world in 2020 was accurate, other elements of the book passage are unknown or unlikely, and of course “predicting” a worldwide outbreak of a respiratory illness when one has already happened could be more a matter of lucky guessing than predicting.

[CliveG]

It will emerge in a large country with relatively low levels of technology and infrastructure and where great social change is taking place. (So, China is a good bet but, bits of South America or africa are on the cards too)

Low levels of technology???

Your ignorance is showing - big time.

China now outstrips the world in terms of number of patent. In 2005, when I needed a highly specialized printed circuit board done, only China was able to do it. Wuhan went full 5G in September 2019 - an event that I say promoted the emergence and spread of the virus.

[CliveG]

We have a gentle rain.  A good omen. It is completely silent. No traffic noise. No sounds from the neighbours. We are putting fertilizer on the grass. My wife is digging up weeds. She had been sorting out her years of paperwork and throwing away what is not needed. I am in the garage doing yet another sort of all my tools and bits and pieces. The calm before the storm.

duffyd said it was a good time to by stock. My opinion is that we have a long way to the bottom. I also think that the bottom will long and very slow climbing. Not even a dead cat bounce. In fact, the world as we know it might change substantially in the next few years.

The US is damned if it does and damned if it does not. Some companies will emerge but many will fall or be seriously devalued. My wife inherited a small amount of stock from her mother, but I have not gotten involved. Too much else going on. She says you only lose when you sell. Some went up high over the years. Some are in the process of dying due to corruption.

Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA)
It is always a good time to buy stock, particularly when the bottom falls out.

Under "normal" situations I would agree with you. Especially on DCA. Today I will be analyzing my wife's share portfolio to advise her which shares to sell. My logic is that the stock market has fallen about 20% from an artificial high. It can still fall another 30% and stay there for 4 years and only reach the present price 10 to 20 years from now.. Some stocks will disappear as the companies go out of business. I am of the opinion my wife should sell those now because 10% of their highs is better than 1% or 0% of the highs. In addition to analysis (which I am good at) I may also confirm with Tarot cards.

[CliveG]

    Give me some incredible odds and put up your money!

Sadly for me the law bans bets on events where the outcome is already known. It's to stop people taking money for no good reason (I guess they think that's the government's job).

Nice out for you. Saving face while not putting up the money. Besides, the telcos will probable hide the fact that they are responsible. It may take another 20 years to prove it.

I wore the mesh hat to bed last night. For the first time in many weeks I have woken without the need to have pain tablets. I am able to function right away. I shall continue to monitor my progress.

We have some anti-malarial tablets left over from our trips to the Kruger Game Park. Not sure if we will take them. If we get the virus and it is bad then maybe.

[CliveG]

Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 16:59:07

    Now imagine that there are pulsed electrical fields that are interfering with all the chemical reactions

The experiments have shown in tedious detail that the em fields associated with phones don't do that.

Now you are the one putting out false information. There are thousands of tests that do show that.

[duffyd]

We have a gentle rain.  A good omen. It is completely silent. No traffic noise. No sounds from the neighbours. We are putting fertilizer on the grass. My wife is digging up weeds. She had been sorting out her years of paperwork and throwing away what is not needed. I am in the garage doing yet another sort of all my tools and bits and pieces. The calm before the storm.

duffyd said it was a good time to by stock. My opinion is that we have a long way to the bottom. I also think that the bottom will long and very slow climbing. Not even a dead cat bounce. In fact, the world as we know it might change substantially in the next few years.

The US is damned if it does and damned if it does not. Some companies will emerge but many will fall or be seriously devalued. My wife inherited a small amount of stock from her mother, but I have not gotten involved. Too much else going on. She says you only lose when you sell. Some went up high over the years. Some are in the process of dying due to corruption.

Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA)
It is always a good time to buy stock, particularly when the bottom falls out.

Under "normal" situations I would agree with you. Especially on DCA. Today I will be analyzing my wife's share portfolio to advise her which shares to sell. My logic is that the stock market has fallen about 20% from an artificial high. It can still fall another 30% and stay there for 4 years and only reach the present price 10 to 20 years from now.. Some stocks will disappear as the companies go out of business. I am of the opinion my wife should sell those now because 10% of their highs is better than 1% or 0% of the highs. In addition to analysis (which I am good at) I may also confirm with Tarot cards.

I hear ya. Don't blame ya. In the great recession the  DJIA declined 53.7% from 10/9/2007 to 3/9/2009, and I prepared to jump--out of the basement. Glad I didn't sell. Wifey wishes I had jumped. The market rebounded 4 fold. Wished I'd bought more!

[Bored chemist]

Quote from: CliveG on Yesterday at 16:59:07

    Now imagine that there are pulsed electrical fields that are interfering with all the chemical reactions

The experiments have shown in tedious detail that the em fields associated with phones don't do that.

Now you are the one putting out false information. There are thousands of tests that do show that.

As all too often happens, I read one of your posts, and I'm looking for evidence. There isn't any.

You posted some stuff which essentially said "microwaving cells is bad for them".
Do you have anything that's relevant?

[Bored chemist]

Nice out for you. Saving face while not putting up the money. Besides, the telcos will probable hide the fact that they are responsible.

Those telcos are now saturating the airwaves  with more signals then they ever have before.
If those signals caused the virus then the numbers would rise but, already in many places (notably China), it's on the way out.

You ludicrously describe this as "

Saving face while not putting up the money.

But, if you were to honour any such bet, you would be the one paying out.
In a few weeks time (we all hope) it will be pretty obvious that the virus is being knocked back and that there's more RF energy doing the rounds than ever before.
At that point, will you accept that you must be wrong?

[Bored chemist]

China now outstrips the world in terms of number of patent.

Yes.
But the Chinese people don't get to use that tech, do they? It gets exported.

The point remains that their animal markets and healthcare system are pretty low tech and that's clearly what  I was alluding to.
So, it's your ignorance that's showing.

[Bored chemist]

Why so angry about God?

My anger is about the stupidity of people who waste their lives in the pointless worship of something that cannot possibly exist, or if it did, could not be affected by worship. And also towards the disgusting behavior of people who use god as an excuse for their perversions. Good deeds do not need an excuse.

You sound like an uneducated, biased, hateful, religious fundamentalist zealot

You sound like you need a mirror.

[Bored chemist]

And once more Clive is proven right in his predictions.

Face masks work - even cloth masks. Check the USA (and other countries) slowly coming to that realization.

Satan wins again - because of this ridiculous primary stance that masks do not work, and may even worsen infection.

Spoiler: show

   Of course it is not a psychic prediction - just MY science and not the popular propagandist science

No competent scientist (other than off the cuff) actually said masks don't work.
The only accurate answer to the question is  "it depends".


You might want to try not bearing false witness against them.

I am dumbstruck by your post. Just how many people in the US are wearing any sort of mask protection - even DIY home-made cloth masks?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/health/surgeon-general-coronavirus-masks-risk-trnd/index.html
US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent the novel coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.
"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider," Adams said during an interview on Fox & Friends on Monday morning.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/who-should-wear-a-face-mask-30-march-who-briefing/
WHO officials do not recommend mask wearing for healthy members of the general population.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/coronavirus-wearing-protective-gear-inappropriately-puts-you-at-greater-risk-health-department-20200331
The department reminded the public not to wear protective gear if a person does not feel sick or when taking care of people, especially those with respiratory problems.

"Just how many people in the US are wearing any sort of mask protection - even DIY home-made cloth masks?"
Who cares?
They aren't scientists, so they can not be relevant.
Again this shows that you have not grasped the fundamental concept of evidence.

"You can increase your risk of getting it by wearing a mask if you are not a health care provider,"
"you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly"
which is the Surgeon General saying, as I had said "it depends"  twice.

And then the WHO say "it depends".
"WHO officials do not recommend mask wearing for healthy members of the general population."

And then your local officials say "It depends"
"The department reminded the public not to wear protective gear if a person does not feel sick"

So, as is sadly often the case, your own quotes show that you are wrong.

All the scientists you quote are saying what I said they did. They are all saying " it depends"
None of them is saying "masks don't work".
Every one of them is making the point I made.

Did you not realise that?

[alancalverd]

But the Chinese people don't get to use that tech, do they? It gets exported.

Not sure about that. To some extent it depends on what you mean by "the people" but the extent of COVID tracking and dissemination of public information by mobile phone and facial recognition has been exceptional, as has the eventual ramping up of medical facilities. In some ways it seems that China has skipped a generation of technology, with people living in 1960s-style accommodation but with 2030s roads, railways, broadband…. and of course next year's diseases.

One sad measure of prosperity is the consumption of meat, which has rocketed in China. And not just quality-controlled pork, beef and chicken, but also, it seems, toxic exotica.

[CliveG]

At 8min 31 and 10min15 19min25.  Highly probably, lots of damage, economic damage, riots, and the first wave lasting 3 years. Will start in February in Asia from the market place then very rapid spread then 10 cases in Germany and then 70% of the population.

Too long and slow for me to listen to the whole things but some points of interest as I jump around.

A German analysis 8 years ago (in german) https://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip2l%20/btd/17/120/1712051.pdf of a viral outbreak similar to SARS that starts in China and moves to Europe and USA. Currently withdrawn. A pandemic caused by a virus similar to SARS corona virus.

The professor is a creationist Seventh Day Adventist.

[CliveG]

All the scientists you quote are saying what I said they did. They are all saying " it depends"
None of them is saying "masks don't work".
Every one of them is making the point I made.

Did you not realise that?

My point is that people are being discouraged from wearing masks. And that will aid the spread - and they are lying to the public. Propaganda takes a little truth and bends it.

Do you not realize that?