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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #40 on: 17/08/2019 01:22:57 »
Quote from: Hayseed on 17/08/2019 00:57:56
.why would you think that they could concept God?
"concept" is not a verb.
Would you like to try again, but this time with a requirement that you post stuff that actually  makes sense to the real world?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #41 on: 17/08/2019 01:23:39 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 18:01:55
God created apes and man
Do you understand that man is an ape?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #42 on: 17/08/2019 01:25:47 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
to gain the ability to always free willing choose
... and in English?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #43 on: 17/08/2019 01:26:41 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
The Spirit entity in the serpent was self employed
Do you work for ATOS?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #44 on: 17/08/2019 01:31:35 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
An agreement was probably
There's nothing which inspires confidence like  a "God" that "probably" does something.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
The Spirit entity in the serpent was self employed and not placed there.
I challenge you  to demonstrate that your assertion can be parsed in English.
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
Adam could have taken authority and gained a nature of obedience and reverence with it's endearing.
Ditto.
Did it occur to you that posting nonsense on a science we site will (at best) get you laughed at?
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
He would have had dominion over the whole planet.
If the fairy tale is right, he had already been granted that.
What did you think  you added there?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #45 on: 17/08/2019 10:26:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 01:23:39
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 18:01:55
God created apes and man
Do you understand that man is an ape?
I just checked and see you are correct.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #46 on: 17/08/2019 10:35:27 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 01:25:47
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
to gain the ability to always free willing choose
... and in English?
The first humans had to use free will. They had to be exposed to evil, while free willing, to free willingly choose obedience and stay in the light of life. Rather than be forced or protected from the knowledge of it. Over time, human nature would have become resistant to making evil choices.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #47 on: 17/08/2019 10:36:55 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 01:26:41
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 11/08/2019 14:02:30
The Spirit entity in the serpent was self employed
Do you work for ATOS?
Satan opposes God and does not ever work for Him only against Him. He also hates men and women made in his image and likeness.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #48 on: 17/08/2019 10:41:32 »
The first humans could have kept their dominion. They and we today would have dominion over the whole planet, in regards to natural events.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #49 on: 17/08/2019 12:29:38 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 10:36:55
Satan opposes God and does not ever work for Him only against Him. He also hates men and women made in his image and likeness.
Then why did God create Satan?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #50 on: 17/08/2019 13:38:20 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 12:29:38
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 10:36:55
Satan opposes God and does not ever work for Him only against Him. He also hates men and women made in his image and likeness.
Then why did God create Satan?
I would say God knew there would eventually be a rebellion. So he chose from the options one that would be finite, least successful and final. Finally finished. Satan was created as a servant, to serve God in the light, but he changed his mind, the angel led a rebellion seeking to have God's throne and power rather than worshipping him. They were expelled and became the angels of death.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #51 on: 17/08/2019 13:49:53 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
I would say God knew there would eventually be a rebellion.
In the absence of any evil, what could provoke a rebellion?
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
Satan was created as a servant, to serve God in the light, but he changed his mind,
Didn't God see that coming?
Did He choose to do nothing to stop it, and thus create all that is bad in the world?

It seems that Satan is more powerful than God.
Perhaps I should worship him.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #52 on: 17/08/2019 15:22:58 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 13:49:53
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
I would say God knew there would eventually be a rebellion.
In the absence of any evil, what could provoke a rebellion?
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
Satan was created as a servant, to serve God in the light, but he changed his mind,
Didn't God see that coming?
Did He choose to do nothing to stop it, and thus create all that is bad in the world?

It seems that Satan is more powerful than God.
Perhaps I should worship him.
The angel was extremely intelligent, and proud. He went from worshipping God for his greatness to wanting to have it. Immense pride, jealousy, ambition, something like adultery, taking the worship of the rebellious angels... God saw it coming and chose the best of the options.

Satan and his cohorts were expelled, much weaker than God. Not as intelligent and weak at creativity, the angel of death imitates God or remembers works of old.

Some people worship money, some pleasure... but whatever it is, it is what seems to be worth the most to you that you see and feel is the source of good in your life.

Other Christians hold that God has a hidden purpose for evil.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #53 on: 19/08/2019 19:42:30 »
You are the part of god :)
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #54 on: 06/09/2019 23:37:51 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 15:22:58
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/08/2019 13:49:53
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
I would say God knew there would eventually be a rebellion.
In the absence of any evil, what could provoke a rebellion?
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 17/08/2019 13:38:20
Satan was created as a servant, to serve God in the light, but he changed his mind,
Didn't God see that coming?
Did He choose to do nothing to stop it, and thus create all that is bad in the world?

It seems that Satan is more powerful than God.
Perhaps I should worship him.
The angel was extremely intelligent, and proud. He went from worshipping God for his greatness to wanting to have it. Immense pride, jealousy, ambition, something like adultery, taking the worship of the rebellious angels... God saw it coming and chose the best of the options.

Satan and his cohorts were expelled, much weaker than God. Not as intelligent and weak at creativity, the angel of death imitates God or remembers works of old.

Some people worship money, some pleasure... but whatever it is, it is what seems to be worth the most to you that you see and feel is the source of good in your life.

Other Christians hold that God has a hidden purpose for evil.
Do you believe that only christian god exists? What do you think about gods of other religions? Can they coexist?
If you can find a method to proof  that they also exist, you can be a pantheist.
On the other hand, if your method concludes that they don't exist, try using it to your own god. You may become an atheist.
If your method doesn't give you any conclusion, you may become an agnostic. But you can find a better method which is not useless.
If your method can prove the existence of your god while disproving other gods reliably, you can try your luck by sharing your method here. You may convert someone into your religion.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #55 on: 10/09/2019 14:10:58 »
If we look back to the earliest gods, that of Genesis, Elohim, Moses YHWH based on Elohim. And Look at the story of Pandora's Box, and India's first god, Purusha. There is a commonality. The angels of Purusha that rebelled were said to break up Purusha into other gods, with the female principle, and then the threeness of the Hindu Trinity, creator destroyer. To me the latter are half truths. So there is only one god, whose presence fills the universe, he is all seeing, the Earth is his footstool, his presence fills the Earth, in him is also femininity and threeness. A benevolent nature. Looking here at Hinduism at the start. I do not believe in many gods. Or an overpowering greatness of rebellious angels.

Only one God revealed Himself in history, with a greater nature of love than any gods in mythology.  Only one answers the great challenges of sickness, sin which is also injustice, selfishness and unclean. And death. Making a way back to the friendship between Elohim and Adam and better.
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Do you believe that only christian god exists? What do you think about gods of other religions? Can they coexist?
If you can find a method to proof  that they also exist, you can be a pantheist.
On the other hand, if your method concludes that they don't exist, try using it to your own god. You may become an atheist.
If your method doesn't give you any conclusion, you may become an agnostic. But you can find a better method which is not useless.
If your method can prove the existence of your god while disproving other gods reliably, you can try your luck by sharing your method here. You may convert someone into your religion.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #56 on: 10/09/2019 14:24:51 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 10/09/2019 14:10:58
To me the latter are half truths.
How do you determine which part is true, while the other is false?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #57 on: 10/09/2019 14:26:45 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/09/2019 14:24:51
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 10/09/2019 14:10:58
To me the latter are half truths.
How do you determine which part is true, while the other is false?
The parts that resemble the faith checked by Moses in God's presence. The parts that do not give powers to define to the angels of death.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #58 on: 11/09/2019 16:13:10 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 10/09/2019 14:26:45
The parts that resemble the faith checked by Moses in God's presence. The parts that do not give powers to define to the angels of death.
How do you know moses?
How do you know that the stories about him are true?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #59 on: 12/09/2019 07:16:49 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/09/2019 16:13:10
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 10/09/2019 14:26:45
The parts that resemble the faith checked by Moses in God's presence. The parts that do not give powers to define to the angels of death.
How do you know moses?
How do you know that the stories about him are true?

Moses is impressed in history as a well educated law maker and nation maker. There are examples of archaeological evidence of the displacement of people who ate pork in Israel or what was Israel. Things like sites where there were pork bones and pottery of one type, replaced by lamb bones and a new type of pottery during the Exodus period.

There are the Dead Sea Scrolls as evidence of the book being faithfully transcribed, the Torah.

I had a vision of Moses.

Moses is endorsed in the Gospel with checks about hard heartedness. I believe in Moses because of Jesus and aspects of Moses' law fit in my natural judgement and my cultural learning, like marrying your girlfriend if you make her pregnant...

Moses best documented the Genesis account of creation and put together the old traditions with new revelations in God's presence, which is a constant theme throughout the Bible and all writings from YHWH. No love and presence, no YHWH and the gentiles under Paul the apostle, their faith rested in power as well as the earlier two. I have experienced touches of these things. The state of my conscience changing to clear, and a clean heart, also secret thoughts revealed and seeing others and hearing their testimonies of the same sorts of things being done in them.
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