[CliveG]

Will this comment be removed by the moderators also?

I doubt it.

Cause and effect? Or just coincidence?

Or conspiracy theory.

Remember my prediction. I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off. I am somewhat precognitive and clairprescient which means I know things that I can only know with the help of spirit. What I realized was that a simple pandemic would be contained so it could not achieve a 60% die-off. What had to happen was a silent unnoticed infection that would decrease immune systems so that both pandemics and ordinary illnesses would kill people off. For a while, I thought this might be a combination of a virus and a fungus because my fungal infection was so stealthy and not diagnosed.

But no. When the cell tower was put next door and I (and others) got sick, I realized it was another bit of psychic information. It is the perfect stealth mechanism because not only will the effects not be noticed for decades (like smoking) but it is global in reach, affecting every country, town and city. Particularly big cities. Remember the plagues - big cities!

It has the added factor of increasing mutation in pathogens because it DOES cause DNA breaks via increased ion channel stress and reactive oxygen species. Scientifically proven.

And the world is in denial. Helped on by the "experts" in the industry. When the truth comes out, science and technology will be dealt a serious blow - and people will look to things more spiritual to guide their lives. People will revolt against the inequality which is growing out of control. (Hence the censorship already taking place). New leaders with justice and fairness will hopefully emerge. Otherwise there will be dystopia as seen in most sci-fi movies of the future.

How's that for a prediction. So far it is on track. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion - one can see how it will unfold and nothing can be done about it.

So let me hear it - scoffity, scoff, scoff, scoff.

[CliveG]

Here is an example of my ability to predict using Tarot cards

On 2 April 2016 I posted on a forum. It got a lot of scoffing and a lot of rewording to make it look like I had failed. I reckon it is pretty accurate. I did 5 readings with 3 of them very similar and giving more information.

Predictions as to whether Trump will be President.

Here is what the Tarot cards say: (for fun)

1. Will Trump win the nomination?

Trump has a strong interest in success, and he will win it in a business-like manner. There will be renewed ideas and possible social unrest with labor support for him.

2. Will Trump win the Presidential election?

Trump will pander to the masses, and to the mainstream religions. He will win an emotional victory. But he will face opposition from forces that will not want to recognize him. However, he will bull his way through with determination and achieve cooperation and balance.

3. Repeat. Will he win the election?

It is going to be a tough nasty fight. But yes. There will be fresh opportunities that will open up.

4. Repeat. Will he be sworn in as President?

Trump is going to cause disruption to the old ways. The establishment will be defeated. But yes he will be sworn in.

5. Will Trump stay the full first term?

Yes. He will do the right things. The outcome for the country will be very good.

[marcus1RM]

Science can approve the contrary, hah.

[Bored chemist]

Remember my prediction. I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off.

And, in fact, He hasn't.
So the evidence shows a zero success rate for your prediction so far.

I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off.

How else?
The alternative is essentially that we stop having sex.
That's... not very likely so, congratulations! You have predicted something that's damned near inevitable.

I am somewhat precognitive and clairprescient which means I know things that I can only know with the help of spirit.

How do we distinguish this from "somewhat delusional", given the lack of any objective evidence?

On 2 April 2016 I posted on a forum.

Where?
It hardly matters.
Do you know about this well documented scam?
Imagine I find 1024 fora that will let you post pretty much anything.
That's not hard.

Imagine I post on half of them that the stock market will go up, and on the other half I "predict" that it will go down over the course of a week.
I'm going to be right for half of them.
I forget about the ones where I'm wrong and concentrate on the 512 where I got it right. I post on half the ones that are left that I predict that the stock market will go up and on the other half that it will go down.
Now I have 256 sites where I got it right two times out of two.

I can carry on doing this a few times.
256 sites where I got it right 3 times in a row (odds about 1 in
128 where I scored 4 out of 4 (16: 1 odds)
64  where I got 5 (32:1)
32 with 6 out of 6 (at odds of 64:1)
16 where I got  7 predictions right out of 7- That's pretty impressive.
The odds are better than 100:1

And now I advertise that anyone can have my prediction for next week- for a fee.
And the people who see my advert can check that I really did get all 7 predictions right.

Well,  you just claim to have predicted 1 50:50 shot. Trump won,
Do you want a medal?

Yes. He will do the right things. The outcome for the country will be very good.

LOL

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

[CliveG]

Science can approve the contrary, hah.

No, it cannot.  If God does not exist one cannot prove a negative.

[CliveG]

Remember my prediction. I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off.

And, in fact, He hasn't.
So the evidence shows a zero success rate for your prediction so far.

I said God told me that the overpopulation would be solved with a massive die-off.

How else?
The alternative is essentially that we stop having sex.
That's... not very likely so, congratulations! You have predicted something that's damned near inevitable.

I am somewhat precognitive and clairprescient which means I know things that I can only know with the help of spirit.

How do we distinguish this from "somewhat delusional", given the lack of any objective evidence?

On 2 April 2016 I posted on a forum.

Where?
It hardly matters.
Do you know about this well documented scam?
Imagine I find 1024 fora that will let you post pretty much anything.
That's not hard.

Imagine I post on half of them that the stock market will go up, and on the other half I "predict" that it will go down over the course of a week.
I'm going to be right for half of them.
I forget about the ones where I'm wrong and concentrate on the 512 where I got it right. I post on half the ones that are left that I predict that the stock market will go up and on the other half that it will go down.
Now I have 256 sites where I got it right two times out of two.

I can carry on doing this a few times.
256 sites where I got it right 3 times in a row (odds about 1 in
128 where I scored 4 out of 4 (16: 1 odds)
64  where I got 5 (32:1)
32 with 6 out of 6 (at odds of 64:1)
16 where I got  7 predictions right out of 7- That's pretty impressive.
The odds are better than 100:1

And now I advertise that anyone can have my prediction for next week- for a fee.
And the people who see my advert can check that I really did get all 7 predictions right.

Well,  you just claim to have predicted 1 50:50 shot. Trump won,
Do you want a medal?

Yes. He will do the right things. The outcome for the country will be very good.

LOL

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

My prediction is in the early stages where the die-off is not noticed. Some early warning signs are starting but it is too soon. Patience.

Amazing that you can take a prediction that is quite accurate and was not the least bit obvious at the time (in fact impossible was the opinion of the pundits) and still find a way to try to discredit it. You have to resort to accusing me of trickery and fraud.

So my question to you is: If, as I claim, I posted one and only one prediction about Trump how amazing is the accuracy? The only other public prediction is the coming die-off.

Many other personal private predictions have been totally accurate, but as everyone knows they do not count except as personal evidence for me.

Good for the country. Yes - economy and unemployment. Long term and foreign policy I worry about. Is he responsible for the political divide, or are the various factions?

[Bored chemist]

You seem to clam that the pundits were saying it was impossible for Trump to win.
That's absurd.

So my question to you is: If, as I claim, I posted one and only one prediction about Trump how amazing is the accuracy?

It's  a roughly 50:50 split. He would win, or Hillary would.

The only other public prediction is the coming die-off.

Which didn't happen.
So, your success rate's pretty poor.

If I was that bad at predicting stuff, I'd keep quiet about it.

[Bored chemist]

Is he responsible for the political divide,

He is doing his best to stoke it.

[CliveG]

You seem to clam that the pundits were saying it was impossible for Trump to win.
That's absurd.

So my question to you is: If, as I claim, I posted one and only one prediction about Trump how amazing is the accuracy?

It's  a roughly 50:50 split. He would win, or Hillary would.

The only other public prediction is the coming die-off.

Which didn't happen.
So, your success rate's pretty poor.

If I was that bad at predicting stuff, I'd keep quiet about it.

Here we go again. Your lack of any grasp of facts and science continues to amaze me.

50:50 odds??? How on earth do you arrive at that? Why did the bookmakers and the pundits rate his chances at less than 1:100?

One book maker was so sure that Hillary would win they preemptively paid out - only to lose even more when Trump won.

What is it about the future that you do not understand? I say it will rain next week and you say I am wrong because "it did not happen"

Sigh. Either you did not follow the US election of 2016, or your memory is atrocious. My prediction was detailed and accurate and what you fail to understand is that the Tarot cards were laying out on 5 tries to confirm over and over the outline of what would happen. Try estimating the odds of a random layout doing that!!! And getting it right!

Denial, denial, denial. How frightened are you that there just MIGHT be a God and the supernatural?

[Bored chemist]

What is it about the future that you do not understand? I say it will rain next week and you say I am wrong because "it did not happen"

No
I am saying that you can not claim that you have made a correct prediction.
Yet, that's what you seem to be trying to do.

50:50 odds??? How on earth do you arrive at that?

You seem to have missed the fact that it was so close that she got more votes.
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/11/200758/us-election-close-call/

It was so close than many of the polls got it wrong.
That doesn't happen if there's a clear winner.

[Bored chemist]

Try estimating the odds of a random layout doing that!!! And getting it right!

OK,
The odds of 5 hits from 5 on reading tarot cards is about 50:50 in this case.
Since you can interpret the cards to mean exactly what you want, it doesn't actually matter what card you draw.
So, you start by picking a position (Trump wins- that's about 50:50) and then you restate it 5 times.
Repeatedly restating the same thing doesn't change the odds.

You seem to clam that the pundits were saying it was impossible for Trump to win.
That's absurd.

So my question to you is: If, as I claim, I posted one and only one prediction about Trump how amazing is the accuracy?

It's  a roughly 50:50 split. He would win, or Hillary would.

The only other public prediction is the coming die-off.

Which didn't happen.
So, your success rate's pretty poor.

If I was that bad at predicting stuff, I'd keep quiet about it.

Here we go again. Your lack of any grasp of facts and science continues to amaze me.

50:50 odds??? How on earth do you arrive at that? Why did the bookmakers and the pundits rate his chances at less than 1:100?

One book maker was so sure that Hillary would win they preemptively paid out - only to lose even more when Trump won.

What is it about the future that you do not understand? I say it will rain next week and you say I am wrong because "it did not happen"

Sigh. Either you did not follow the US election of 2016, or your memory is atrocious. My prediction was detailed and accurate and what you fail to understand is that the Tarot cards were laying out on 5 tries to confirm over and over the outline of what would happen. Try estimating the odds of a random layout doing that!!! And getting it right!

Denial, denial, denial. How frightened are you that there just MIGHT be a God and the supernatural?

Not at all.
For the same reason I'm not frightened of unicorns.
There's no evidence for them.

[CliveG]

Try estimating the odds of a random layout doing that!!! And getting it right!

OK,
The odds of 5 hits from 5 on reading tarot cards is about 50:50 in this case.
Since you can interpret the cards to mean exactly what you want, it doesn't actually matter what card you draw.
So, you start by picking a position (Trump wins- that's about 50:50) and then you restate it 5 times.
Repeatedly restating the same thing doesn't change the odds.

You seem to clam that the pundits were saying it was impossible for Trump to win.
That's absurd.

So my question to you is: If, as I claim, I posted one and only one prediction about Trump how amazing is the accuracy?

It's  a roughly 50:50 split. He would win, or Hillary would.

The only other public prediction is the coming die-off.

Which didn't happen.
So, your success rate's pretty poor.

If I was that bad at predicting stuff, I'd keep quiet about it.

Here we go again. Your lack of any grasp of facts and science continues to amaze me.

50:50 odds??? How on earth do you arrive at that? Why did the bookmakers and the pundits rate his chances at less than 1:100?

One book maker was so sure that Hillary would win they preemptively paid out - only to lose even more when Trump won.

What is it about the future that you do not understand? I say it will rain next week and you say I am wrong because "it did not happen"

Sigh. Either you did not follow the US election of 2016, or your memory is atrocious. My prediction was detailed and accurate and what you fail to understand is that the Tarot cards were laying out on 5 tries to confirm over and over the outline of what would happen. Try estimating the odds of a random layout doing that!!! And getting it right!

Denial, denial, denial. How frightened are you that there just MIGHT be a God and the supernatural?

Not at all.
For the same reason I'm not frightened of unicorns.
There's no evidence for them.

Once more you display your ignorance of a subject you have not bothered to research or find out more. There are many ways to use the cards to get information. The most precise is the 3 card spread in which Aces up mean yes and Aces reversed mean no and other cards add to the information. Shuffle and deal pile 1. If an ace turns up then start on the next pile to the left. If 13 cards have been dealt with no ace then start on the next pile. Do 3 piles and interpret from the right.

Here are two of the first readings. The down ace indicating the opposition to his swearing in. Notably Russia-gate and actually an over-all minority of overall votes. But the outcome was yes.  I got 5 up aces and 1 down ace. Given that any firm no (one ace down) to any of the five readings I would have to say I was not getting proper answers.

The results of the Trump predictions:

1. Will Trump win the nomination?

Eight of Cups (reversed) – This is a movement away from one place to another. In reverse it is a movement towards the material world of success. Into a less spiritual place.

Ace of Wands – Success in a project or business. Trump made getting the nomination a business project. He analysed how people think and he acted accordingly.

Four of Swords (reversed) – This is a card of conflict. It appears after the ace, and indicate what might follow. The most applicable one is social unrest.

The interpretation is that Trump is moving from the world of business that he is emotionally secure into the world of politics which for he sees as corrupt and somewhat immoral.

2. Will Trump become President?

The Hierophant - means being ruled by the conventional. To be accepted by one’s peers and socially acceptable. To follow convention.

Ace of Cups - Good beginnings from an emotional/spiritual point of view.

Ace of Wands (reversed) - Setbacks and delays. There might be a challenge involving the business of being sworn in.

The interpretation is that Trump has to win the acceptance of the majority of voters. He cannot continue to be seen in the very negative light that the media make out. The outcome of the vote will be cause for joy and celebration on his part, but then forces will try to derail the process with some unusual plan. Since this was a mixed answer of yes and no, one has to seek clarity, so I asked about the Ace of Wands (reversed). I saw this in my notes on the side when doing this detail. The answer was:

Page of Pentacles (reversed) - This indicates rebelliousness and being surrounded by people in opposition to his ideas.

Pentacles is money and the power that comes with King of Pentacles (reversed) — He will bull his way forward and overcome the opposition through force of character. Watch out.

Two of Cups — Here is balance and cooperation as the final outcome. The art of the deal?


My wife wanted to know what price to offer for the new house. I did three piles. First was less 5%, the next less 7.5% and the third was 10% less than the asking price. The middle one got it and was accepted. The agent said the seller who wanted a quick sale was adamant about not taking less.

Now we have to sell our old house. Do the same with three piles.

I asked if a worker was stealing from us because of his behavior. The cards said yes and I no longer used him. I then discovered that things were missing in rooms only he had been given unsupervised access to. Two old laptops and a an expensive compact car-vacuum. Plus power supplies for the two laptops and some other laptops. I found that he had put some medicines among some rags, and some of my mothers old jewellery behind some stuff I needed to throw out - no doubt looking for an opportunity to hand them over the fence to an accomplice.

[Bored chemist]

I asked if a worker was stealing from us because of his behavior.

So, there was reasonable grounds to suspect he was a thief.

I then discovered that things were missing in rooms only he had been given unsupervised access to.

And you found that he stole stuff.

What have the cards got to do with it?

You really need to sort out what constitutes evidence.
There's none for tarot cards. (or, if I'm wrong, you should be able to make a lot of money on the lottery and move as far from any phones as you want.

You won't do that; you won't even try- because, deep down, you know it won't work.

[Bored chemist]

Page of Pentacles (reversed) - This indicates rebelliousness and being surrounded by people in opposition to his ideas.

So, every single politician then.
But you chose to take it as specific.

[alancalverd]

The argument seems to have run a long way since I last looked, but to go back a few paragraphs to Clive's comments

1. Yes, there are plenty of Jewish atheists. I'm one of them. That's the point of "our people" - we are a tribe first, loosely held together by a mutual respect for rituals and traditions that not all of us actually practice. The faith bit is optional, but the tribal loyalty is genetic (ask any anti-Semite), which is why we don't evangelise or accept converts easily. Or criticise the beliefs of others - only their actions.

2. The Simpsons predicted Trump's presidency in 2000
 

The episode mentions that real estate mogul and millionaire Donald Trump became president, and caused a budget crisis that Lisa inherits.

It was in any case blindingly obvious in 2006 because the Democrats didn't have a slogan ("I'm a Woman" sold quite a few copies for Peggy Lee but doesn't stand out as an economic or social policy objective). Come to think of it, they still don't, just like the Labour Party.

3. Anyone who can consistently predict any outcome with 51% or even 50.001% accuracy will not be contributing to this board, but owning it.

[alancalverd]

1. Will Trump win the nomination?
Eight of Cups (reversed) – groper of many breasts, but they will come back to haunt him.
Ace of Wands – belief in magic, not science.
Four of Swords (reversed) – This is a card of conflict. It appears after the ace, and indicate what might follow. The most applicable one is social unrest. Agreed. Pity the rest of the world had no vote.

2. Will Trump become President?
The Hierophant - means being ruled by the conventional. To be accepted by one’s peers (yes - but what disgusting peers) and socially acceptable (no). Always wash your hands after meeting him. And count your fingers, too.
Ace of Cups - groper.
Ace of Wands (reversed) - Setbacks and delays. The interpretation is that Trump has to win the acceptance of the majority of voters. He didn't. Hillary had a clear majority of the popular vote.

[CliveG]

1. Will Trump win the nomination?
Eight of Cups (reversed) – groper of many breasts, but they will come back to haunt him.
Ace of Wands – belief in magic, not science.
Four of Swords (reversed) – This is a card of conflict. It appears after the ace, and indicate what might follow. The most applicable one is social unrest. Agreed. Pity the rest of the world had no vote.

2. Will Trump become President?
The Hierophant - means being ruled by the conventional. To be accepted by one’s peers (yes - but what disgusting peers) and socially acceptable (no). Always wash your hands after meeting him. And count your fingers, too.
Ace of Cups - groper.
Ace of Wands (reversed) - Setbacks and delays. The interpretation is that Trump has to win the acceptance of the majority of voters. He didn't. Hillary had a clear majority of the popular vote.

I wondered why you quoted me without a comment. Then I looked more closely. Doing a shifty Schiff, eh?

I do not need to look at the cards to tell you not to give up your day job.

How about this reading from the cards:
Will the current outbreak in China become a deadly global outbreak:

1. Ace of swords up - Yes. With global discord and panic
2. Ace of cups down - This is saying that the virus will be beaten and die down.
3. Ace of pentacles up - This saying it will mutate and come back for another round.

[CliveG]

(snip)

3. Anyone who can consistently predict any outcome with 51% or even 50.001% accuracy will not be contributing to this board, but owning it.
[/quote]

You forget the rules. The claim of psychic gifts can only get great financial benefit to fraudsters and charlatans. Those who truly have a gift cannot and do not except to a modest income for support.

[alancalverd]

In other words, you can't provide numerical evidence in support of a "gift", and the only people who can make money out of it are those who don't actually possess it.

Furthermore you are claiming that Tarot cards shuffled at random have the capacity to predict. If the prediction depends on your interpretation, any set of random numbers would do because it is actually your gift that is doing the job, since the person who shuffles them (the "mug") clearly doesn't have the gift, or he wouldn't be as asking for your help.

I think you are skating on logically thin ice here.

I  have no interest in horse racing but once visited Epsom out of curiosity. I had no money with which to bet, but I predicted the winner of  7 successive races. Scary. I've never been back.

[alancalverd]

Will the current outbreak in China become a deadly global outbreak:1. Ace of swords up - Yes. With global discord and panic2. Ace of cups down - This is saying that the virus will be beaten and die down.3. Ace of pentacles up - This saying it will mutate and come back for another round.

Just like every other corona virus, then. Avian flu, SARS.... Looks more like a scientific prediction than a psychic one.