[jeffreyH]

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Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us

It sounds like the God is a twit.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

Jeffrey 20:33
So man created God in his own image.

[duffyd]

I admit I don't have "faith" in naturalism. Faith that you don't have faith is delusional.  What is evidence? Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

[duffyd]

γ

Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us

It sounds like the God is a twit.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

"Their" image.

Jeffrey 20:33
So man created God in his own image.

[Bored chemist]

Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

No
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence&oq=evidence&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j46j0l4j69i60.2726j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


And, by the way
Exodus 20:16

[duffyd]

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rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.
Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

And again...

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

Phillip Zimbardo of Stanford conducted a small experiment with his students. Volunteers were chosen randomly to be fake prisoners or fake guards in a fake makeshift jail, that wasn't a jail at all. Everything was fake. It was an experiment to see how bright, ethical young men would respond as they played their roles. 

Zimbardo played the prison superintendent.

In a few days the "evidence" that they were merely playing parts vanished and the situation escalated to an abusive, out of control, dangerous feeding frenzy and they had to shut it down.

The fact is, they were role playing. The fact is, they could no longer respond to the facts. The fact is, emotions, even as they faked being other people, prevented them from embracing the truth.
If you have genuine examples of the kinds of evidence that would be convincing, please share them. The truth is, there are no facts or any evidence that is acceptable to you.
Believe as you wish. It makes no difference to me personally. The fact is, I'm going with the most beautiful woman who ever lived. But, I can't prove it to anyone and that's fine.

[duffyd]

Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

No
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence&oq=evidence&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j46j0l4j69i60.2726j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


And, by the way
Exodus 20:16

Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

No
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence&oq=evidence&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j46j0l4j69i60.2726j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


And, by the way
Exodus 20:16

Say what you believe. Spell it out.

[duffyd]

Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

No
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence&oq=evidence&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j46j0l4j69i60.2726j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


And, by the way
Exodus 20:16

Exactly what is considered to be evidence? Nothing, I'm afraid, to you.

No
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence&oq=evidence&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j46j0l4j69i60.2726j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


And, by the way
Exodus 20:16

Say what you believe. Spell it out.

You refer to the Bible when you believe it is true and when you find it to be a fairy tale. 

[Bored chemist]

The fact is, they could no longer respond to the facts.

That's not actually a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Criticism_and_response

Believe as you wish

That's silly.
You don't get to choose what you believe..

The fact is, I'm going with the most beautiful woman who ever lived.

Well, it's not important, but I didn't expect that. In my experience "duffy" is a female name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duffy_(singer)

[Bored chemist]

You refer to the Bible when you believe it is true and when you find it to be a fairy tale. 

I think it's tosh, but I thought that you would accept it.

Do you understand the reference?
Exodus 20:16

[duffyd]

Electrons, quarks, and sodium ion channels form the basis for human thought. That's all thoughts are: billions of microscopic, biochemical/electrical pulses bursting each moment within 3 lbs of a gel-like ball that is suspended in a calcium hardened cavity.  It is fed through the blood brain barrier with an oxygen rich fluid.
With that soft, vulnerable, fleshy object, mankind designed and built and detonated a 50,000,000 ton fusion driven thermonuclear weapon and sent men and machines to the moon, landed and returned them to earth safely.

[duffyd]

Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God? I was A2A on a question about turning into an atheist at 13 years of age. It bothered me deeply and I came to question my own beliefs. I'm at a crossroad. Help me through logical answers.

Read and listen to the testimonies of his disciples from across 2 millennia. They are unique yet they share wonderful truths about what God-Man has done in their lives. Old men and women, young people from every race and ethnic background, from PhDs to first graders, from the cultured, well-to-do to, rich upper crust to the drug addicted street prostitutes, all share profound gratitude for the life saving and life altering heart changes Jesus Christ, the risen Savior, made in them. Millions claim the same kinds of experiences.

[duffyd]

You refer to the Bible when you believe it is true and when you find it to be a fairy tale.

I think it's tosh, but I thought that you would accept it.

Do you understand the reference?
Exodus 20:16

What about it?

[duffyd]

Phillip Zimbardo of Stanford conducted a small experiment with his students. Volunteers were chosen randomly to be fake prisoners or fake guards in a fake makeshift jail, that wasn't a jail at all. Everything was fake. It was an experiment to see how bright, ethical young men would respond as they played their roles.

Zimbardo played the prison superintendent.

In a few days the "evidence" that they were merely playing parts vanished and the situation escalated to an abusive, out of control, dangerous feeding frenzy and they had to shut it down.

So, nothing relevant then?

Or are you saying the priests are the counterpart to the prison guards?

Nope.

It takes a little exercising of your brain muscles, but you should eventually get the picture.

[duffyd]

Even a cursory review of the words He spoke is enough to convince reasonably well educated people that He is the most unique person ever to live. An early follower said of him that he spoke with authority, and he did. But, I'm not referring to that. Look at the words, packed into statements and stories and parables and his daily give and take with others and it will dawn on you that his manner of speaking was nothing like the rest of us. He spoke to us as God himself in the flesh must speak. He never wasted a word. He expressed his relatedness to God constantly. He did not try to hide what he was all about. His entire way of life communicated his oneness with God his Father. It wasn't contrived or forced in the slightest, neither was he hesitant to be who he really was. He was perfectly consistent in everything. He was one amazing guy. 

[duffyd]

I understand why unbelievers refuse to identify the kinds of specific evidentiary material they would accept. It is easier to reject whatever evidence others present than to acknowledge upfront what has value. It is too bad. It is an old game and it is ineffective.

[CliveG]

Finally the truth is coming out. And I say again - common sense logic.

The other truth is that this is part of Satan's campaign. Satan was whispering in the ears of the powerful to persuade them to tell the lies.

The enemy is not the virus, the virus is a weapon. It is a war but in this war the enemy is Satan. I will expand on this in my next post.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-blasts-feds-medical-masks-coronavirus
"The article suggested believing in masks [is] some kind of superstition like not walking under ladders or being afraid of black cats," Carlson said. "It's insulting. It's ridiculous."
In addition, Carlson said, the claim that the masks only work for health care professionals, but not for healthy civilians is baffling, since the pandemic has no regard for people's occupation.
"So look, we understand there's a shortage of masks," Carlson concluded, addressing the federal government. "We understand only certain people should get them because it's a triage moment, we get it. But stop lying to us."

[CliveG]

Yesterday late afternoon I had a "feeling". We are fighting on two fronts which may become three or more. The obvious front is the virus, the second front is the global economy. The third front may be civil unrest (rioting and looting as in Italy South), and the fourth front may be outright war.

It struck me that one cannot win a war without knowing the enemy. One has to understand the motivations and the tactics. One wins or loses battles depending not only on the resources but on the way in which the battle is fought. Mistakes cost lives.

We have been talking about God being the enemy and creating this virus, and I have been saying Satan created the virus and God has been a neutral observer for the most part. Let us take this a bit further.

Satan used the greed and selfishness of the global elite to begin the war. His build-up started in the early 1908's with corporate raiders destroying the US manufacturing capacity. There was no mercy. Read the book "Barbarians at the Gates". Companies were bought out and stripped. People fired and equipment sold overseas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians_at_the_Gate_(film)
Self-made multimillionaire F. Ross Johnson, CEO of RJR Nabisco, decides to take the tobacco and food conglomerate company private in 1988 after receiving advance news of the likely market failure of the company's smokeless cigarette called Premier, the development of which had been intended to finally boost the company's stock price.
The free-spending Johnson's bid for the company is opposed by two of the pioneers of the leveraged buyout, Henry Kravis and his cousin. Kravis feels betrayed when, after Johnson initially discusses doing the LBO with Kravis, he takes the potentially enormous deal to another firm, the Shearson Lehman Hutton division of American Express.
Other bidders emerge, including Ted Forstmann and his company, Forstmann Little, after Kravis and Johnson are unable to reconcile their differences. The bidding goes to unprecedented heights, and when executive Charles Hugel becomes aware of how much Johnson stands to profit in a transaction that will put thousands of Nabisco employees out of work, he quips, "Now I know what the 'F' in F. Ross Johnson stands for." The greed is so evident, Kravis's final bid is declared the winner, even though Johnson's was higher.
The title of the book and movie comes from a statement by Forstmann in which he calls that Kravis' money "phoney junk bond crap" and how he and his brother are "real people with real money," and that to stop raiders like Kravis: "We need to push the barbarians back from the city gates."

Nabisco was the biggest customer of the company I worked for at the time, and I saw it coming. I told the owner and the CEO and they did not give me credibility when I said our company should prepare for losses of orders.

Then came the Wall Street "Greed is good" and the property Ninja (no income no job or assets) mortgages that set up the 2008 crash. Once more, all part of Satans plan (not God's plan although he knew what Satan was doing). The bailout and the Ponzi build-up of Zombie economies were the next step. These fragile economies were needed by Satan to ensure that the virus spread and to make the consequences even more dire.

Chine and Asia were exempted because they were needed to be a powerhouse to produce the corona virus and spread it all over the world. The China powerhouse with limited reporting would lessen the global worry and the win over the virus would lull the big Western powers into complacency. The wins over Ebola and MERS would help in this false sense that the West could handle any threat.

Satan ensured that the virus spread slowly and silently at first so that it could take hold globally. China showed that the virus can be beaten by complete draconian isolation. No transmission means the virus will die out where-ever there is quarantine.

Satan also had politicians afraid of their economies and so they did not prepare and then were slow to act. All done by little whispers in the minds of egotistical politicians and greedy corporates.

To win the war against Satan one has to recognize his plan and how he works. One also needs the intervention of an ally such as God who, like the Americans in WW2, are not participating except for minor assistance here and there.

God wants change to avoid the extinction of the planet. The greater good. This will only happen once humankind changes for the better, becomes more spiritual and limits the power of the greedy elites.

I have also said that I often get "confirmations" as did Gideon when angels spoke to him. An hour later I was watching a Netflix movie about the Rise of the Otterman Empire. The Sultan's father told him that he must know his enemy and understand his weakness. The Sultan also says that his vision is for a huge multi-religious society living in mutual cooperation.

[CliveG]

Electrons, quarks, and sodium ion channels form the basis for human thought. That's all thoughts are: billions of microscopic, biochemical/electrical pulses bursting each moment within 3 lbs of a gel-like ball that is suspended in a calcium hardened cavity.  It is fed through the blood brain barrier with an oxygen rich fluid.
With that soft, vulnerable, fleshy object, mankind designed and built and detonated a 50,000,000 ton fusion driven thermonuclear weapon and sent men and machines to the moon, landed and returned them to earth safely.

Well put.

Dumb Particles or Intelligent God. You know my vote (the latter of those two - for those with too many dumb particles to figure it out).

[Bored chemist]

Dumb Particles or Intelligent God. You know my vote (the latter of those two - for those with too many dumb particles to figure it out).

And again Clive,
Get a mirror.
It takes fewer "bright" particles to understand a fairy tale thana  physics book.

[CliveG]

I am concerned that intubation when on a ventilator is not absolutely necessary. I think it leads to the spread of the disease to medics and increases complications. I "feel" that a CPAP month nose mask that I use is sufficient.

Amazing how God has given me lessons by personal experience. Here I was wondering why I was being made to suffer and having to use oxygen and CPAP machines. These sufferings have forced me to learn a lot of medicine right down to cellular microbiology.

https://bmjopenrespres.bmj.com/content/5/1/e000261
Introduction There is a continuous debate concerning the superiority of endotracheal intubation on bag-valve-mask (BVM) ventilation in patients with cardiac arrest. In this manikin-based observational study, we evaluate and compare the performance of manual ventilation through a facemask (BVM) and an endotracheal tube (ETT).

Methods One hundred and forty healthcare providers were instructed to manually ventilate a manikin as they would do for a 75 kg adult patient in respiratory arrest. Each one was ventilating both through a facemask and an ETT for a 5 min period in a random order. Ventilatory parameters were measured by the ASL 5000 lung simulator and ventilation performance was analysed using a sliding window method published in a previous study to assess accurately ventilation efficiency.

Results The mean ventilation rate was high whatever the technique used (24 bpm). A weak relationship between manual ventilation performance and the type of interface used was observed (p=0.0484). The overall rate of adequate ventilation was low even if we noticed a slight improvement when ventilating through an ETT (13.21% vs 7.5% of adequate ventilation). However, the rate of hyperventilation did not differ between mask and tube (79% vs 77%). A significant relationship is observed between professional category, the size of the hand squeezing the bag and manual ventilation performance (p<0.05).