[Bored chemist]

God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”. There was one in the closet and I put it own. The heat reduced the intense pain. At the same time I felt the healing radiation from God. I fell asleep and awoke on the road to recovery.

Bad news, I'm afraid.
That was the Devil talking to you.
If you had left well alone, and trusted in God rather than technology, you would have recovered faster.

OK, maybe I made that up. But maybe you made up your claim.

[CliveG]

When I had double pneumonia about 30 years ago I reached a point where the pain was so intense that I had to break my silence with God. My agreement was that I would do the work he demanded of me in 1981 and that he would no longer directly speak to me, touch me, or force me into obedience. I felt bad for my family although for myself I would prefer death. God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”. There was one in the closet and I put it own. The heat reduced the intense pain. At the same time I felt the healing radiation from God. I fell asleep and awoke on the road to recovery.

You got the right advice. I had to learn the hard way to use heat, especially on my chest and breathing warm to hot air, to fix an chest infections and flu.

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

[Bored chemist]

Essentially and adult can say this:

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

People find out what oks for them.
It's not a theological matter.

[CliveG]

Essentially and adult can say this:

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

People find out what oks for them.
It's not a theological matter.

Ordinarily I would agree with you. The cures I found were not main-stream and not even alternative medicine. Finding them was a matter of a series of coincidences, plus some "intuition" that they might work. I did do due diligence and ensure that the "cures" were safe.

Of course, one reason I find cures is that I am very persistent and do not give up easily. You many have noticed that.

[Bored chemist]

Essentially and adult can say this:

Although God has not given me direct advice, I have been guided to find cures for various ailments that work well.

People find out what oks for them.
It's not a theological matter.

Ordinarily I would agree with you. The cures I found were not main-stream and not even alternative medicine. Finding them was a matter of a series of coincidences, plus some "intuition" that they might work. I did do due diligence and ensure that the "cures" were safe.

Of course, one reason I find cures is that I am very persistent and do not give up easily. You many have noticed that.

Your dedication to the placebo effect, and to avoiding the topic, is noted.

[jerrygg38]

Bored Chemist says:Bad news, I'm afraid.
That was the Devil talking to you.
GG: Devil??? Ain't no such thing. The spiritual world consists of God and the various Sons of God which exist within the father. The God of Hitler was the German Son of God collective. NO devil for sure but the collective spirit of the German people. The many Sons of God often oppose God but all they have is control over their own people. In the spiritual world they cannot fight among themselves. However they can cause the living people to kill each other. The German Son of God wanted the Jewish God dead and knew that killing all the Jews would destroy the Jewish God. However the Father God wanted the Jews dead as well since the spirit of Futureman consists of the spirits of the innocent dead. Thus the Father God benefited from the Holocaust.

[alancalverd]

God said “Put a heating pad on your chest”.

which is exactly what your mum would have said.

There was one in the closet

Did God put it there, or your mum?

[Colin2B]

The spiritual world consists of God and the various Sons of God which exist within the father. The God of Hitler was the German Son of God collective. NO devil for sure but the collective spirit of the German people. The many Sons of God often oppose God but all they have is control over their own people. In the spiritual world they cannot fight among themselves. However they can cause the living people to kill each other. The German Son of God wanted the Jewish God dead and knew that killing all the Jews would destroy the Jewish God. However the Father God wanted the Jews dead as well since the spirit of Futureman consists of the spirits of the innocent dead. Thus the Father God benefited from the Holocaust.

I’m not going to ask whether you are truly serious or one step from an asylum; but I will ask if you’ve read ‘American Gods’.

[jerrygg38]

Colin2b asks:I’m not going to ask whether you are truly serious or one step from an asylum; but I will ask if you’ve read ‘American Gods’.
GG: Yes I am serious. No I am not one step from an asylum.No I have not read American Gods.  I just have somewhat unusual spiritual experiences. And I always ask "why me?". Over the years when things got tough, I would try to convince myself that I hallucinated. That would give me a degree of peace. I would study God and the Universe and not pray. Then in a year or two the dreams would return. God would give me more information. This enabled me to contemplate the data without great emotional strain. So I got used to doing this. In 1981 I was quite mad. But as I quit smoking cold turkey, I did this assignment cold turkey. Slowly I learned to be non-emotional about my work.It is not my job to get anyone to believe what I say. I have no interest in saving the world or anyone in particular.  Right now I am back to house painting. That gives me great peace of mind. The most important thing for me right now is staying alive. My doctor said I could live another 10 years and I prefer that as my family needs me. Otherwise I would prefer to go right now.

[duffyd]

It is fascinating to see all the various misinterpretations of his life. People try so hard to figure him out. They keep trying, missing the mark forever.
 
He didn't die disillusioned. He wasn't expecting God to save him and Israel at the last second, Bart. Before he took off he said the kingdom of heaven is in you. If you believe in me, I Myself through the Spirit will pour out of you. If you believe in me, you will never die.

He came to die as part of a plan formed before the universe began. A plan that was a part of God forever. He always was. He always was for the single purpose of dying.

When you are quite certain you see clearly, you can't see nothing. Blindness is a must if you really want to see. Cohen got it right: Only drowning men can see him. Dylan got it: Have they counted the cost it'll take to bring down all their earthly principles they're gonna have to abandon? That's why people freak when they find him. Can't believe he is what he is. Like waking up from a bad dream that won't end. 

[alancalverd]

Can science prove God exists?

No. Science is about disproof.

Next question, please.

[Bored chemist]

He came to die as part of a plan formed before the universe began. A plan that was a part of God forever. He always was. He always was for the single purpose of dying.

So why did He ask why He had forsaken Himself?

[duffyd]

It is fascinating to see all the various misinterpretations of his life. People try so hard to figure him out. They keep trying, missing the mark forever.
 
He didn't die disillusioned. He wasn't expecting God to save him and Israel at the last second, Bart. Before he took off he said the kingdom of heaven is in you. If you believe in me, I Myself through the Spirit will pour out of you. If you believe in me, you will never die.

He came to die as part of a plan formed before the universe began. A plan that was a part of God forever. He always was. He always was for the single purpose of dying.

When you are quite certain you see clearly, you can't see nothing. Blindness is a must if you really want to see. Cohen got it right: Only drowning men can see him. Dylan got it: Have they counted the cost it'll take to bring down all their earthly principles they're gonna have to abandon? That's why people freak when they find him. Can't believe he is what he is. Like waking up from a bad dream that won't end.

Why was this comment not removed? I have no idea what is permitted and what isn't in this regard. I know that many insulting, nasty, demeaning, degrading, disturbing, aggressively hostile accusations and lies are plastered all over this thread in clear violation of the rule which demands that we not engage in such vitriol. I don't understand why that happens, either, but it is worth a close look.

[duffyd]

Can science prove God exists?

No. Science is about disproof.

Next question, please.

That is your definition.

In science, at its best, you never know when your postulates, rules, or logical steps will suddenly cease to describe the Universe. You never know when your assumptions will suddenly become invalid. And you never know whether the rules you successfully applied for situations A, B, and C will successfully apply for situation D.

It's a leap of faith to assume that it will, and while these are often good leaps of faith, you cannot prove that these leaps are always valid. If the laws of nature change over time, or behave differently under different conditions, or in different directions or locations, or aren't applicable to the system you're dealing with, your predictions will be wrong. And that's why everything we do in science, no matter how well it gets tested, is always preliminary.

Even in theoretical physics, the most mathematical of all the sciences, our "proofs" aren't on entirely solid ground. If the assumptions we make about the underlying physical theory (or its mathematical structure) no longer apply — if we step outside the theory's range of validity — we'll "prove" something that turns out not to be true. If someone tells you a scientific theory has been proven, you should ask what they mean by that. Normally, they mean "they've convinced themselves that this thing is true," or they have overwhelming evidence that a specific idea is valid over a specific range. But nothing in science can ever truly be proven. It's always subject to revision.
 Ethan Siegel

[duffyd]

Can science prove God exists?

No. Science is about disproof.

Next question, please.

You're wrong but most likely not just wild guessing. Remember, they didn't write the New Testament at the Council of Nicea

Misconception:
 This misconception is based on the idea of falsification, philosopher Karl Popper's influential account of scientific justification, which suggests that all science can do is reject, or falsify, hypotheses — that science cannot find evidence that supports one idea over others. Falsification was a popular philosophical doctrine — especially with scientists — but it was soon recognized that falsification wasn't a very complete or accurate picture of how scientific knowledge is built. In science, ideas can never be completely proved or completely disproved. Instead, science accepts or rejects ideas based on supporting and refuting evidence, and may revise those conclusions if warranted by new evidence or perspectives.
 University of California at Berkeley

[alancalverd]

Interestingly, I graduated at the same ceremony as Popper. Like every philosopher I've ever encountered apart from Russell, he took an idea that everyone else understood, mis-stated it, and claimed his error as a breakthrough.

[duffyd]

The rules state that CHAT is not a scientific site. Nevertheless, I believe science supports my spiritual point of view. Defining precisely what science is, is up for debate and that is my point. Just because some believe my definition of science is inadequate, doesn't mean they are right.

[Bored chemist]

Remember, they didn't write the New Testament at the Council of Nicea

Well, it exists, it didn't write itself, so someone must have written it.
If not the CoN, then who?

Who do you think wrote the New Testament?

[alancalverd]

What everyone understands by the scientific method is the recursive process of observe, hypothesise, predict. It isn't about proving anything (in the English sense of the word) but carrying out successive tests (German prufungen) of predictive hypotheses.

The underlying characteristic of the Judaeo-Christian god is that he  moves in a mysterious way (historically, one might say "capricious"), so is not a predictive hypothesis and cannot be subject to scientific scrutiny.

In any case, a god that created the universe can't be subject to the laws of physics, never mind the trick (which many gods have done over the centuries) of impregnating a woman without having a biological presence.

[Petrochemicals]

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