[CliveG]

Years back, I took part in a civil defence exercise  modelling the day after World War 3. Lots of cunning coded messages exchanged through CB radio. Of course anyone who had a functioning radio and was fit and safe enough to use it, probably had other assets, so the moment you broke radio silence you became a target for predators. We quickly learned that the secret of survival is not to broadcast your survival. It is reasonable to assume that other civilisations have reached the same conclusion, and we know that governments monitor our personal phone calls and politicians pay geeks to monitor anything you broadcast on antisocial media, so the threat posed by your smartphone to your life and liberty is a lot more immediate than cancer. 

In short, don't expect to hear from any alien life form.

I assume that there is no privacy anywhere at any time. I feel I was once targeted by a government agency trying to break up my relationship, after they had been monitoring my communications from SA to NZ. Cannot prove it but it was far too coincidental to be some random chance. My late wife worked with rehabilitating ex-combatants in the SA struggle and some could have been said to have "interesting" backgrounds.

If I do not want anything to get to another person I do not use any type of electronic communication. Especially when fighting with cell companies. My email was hacked one week after I sent them a letter of opposition and demand to cease construction.

With regard to the aggression of alien species I think their aggression is what will cause them to exterminate themselves. There was a great sci-fi short movie where an alien arrives on Earth and is scornful of the wars saying they are not worthy and must be exterminated. They ask for and get 24 hours to prove themselves worthy. They think they must make peace and so they do. The alien arrives back and says they are looking for warriors not pacifists. Oooops!

[CliveG]

I will soon move on to the cellular disruption that causes reduced immune systems, autism, epilepsy, ADHD, dementia, accelerating aging in addition to the latent and final cancers.

Are you moving on because you accept that you have no sound evidence for the current claims?
In the interest of science, perhaps I should nip one of those claims in the bud.
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/

Fundamentally, what you need to do is plot average lifespan vs mobile phone use over the last 20 or 30 years.

I have seen such reports attributing an increase in some statistic to an increase in better reporting or a change in the way things are reported. And if there is an increase that some entity (cell industry) is afraid of, then it is a nice scientific way to evade it and hide it.

Check with some junior school teachers as to the prevalence of autism and ADHD. Anecdotally they report an increase. But you can disregard such reports as unscientific and feel safe that you are in control and aware of the dangers around you.

Lifespan - Sweden 10-20 years. Dropping.

[Bored chemist]

Check with some junior school teachers as to the prevalence of autism

Not many of them are still around.
However, I hardly need their views on the issue while I can look in a  mirror.

Are you telling us that, when you were at school, there weren't any odd, nerdy kids?

I have seen such reports attributing an increase in some statistic to an increase in better reporting or a change in the way things are reported.

How would you explain it if there were no increase in reported incidence?

The records show the two issues mentioned on that page.
".The diagnostic criteria for autism expanded in 1994 to include a spectrum of disorders with a broader list... Then in 1995, national data tracking began to include diagnoses made from outpatient patient".

So, if there was no increase in reported incidence we would need some explanation.
But there's an increase, and it doesn't need further explanation, does it?

Lifespan - Sweden 10-20 years. Dropping.

In a very negative sense

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[Bored chemist]

The graphis from here.
https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:SWE:CHE:NOR&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:SWE&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

[Bored chemist]

But you can disregard such reports as unscientific

Well, yes, I can, because the scientific research- where they try to allow for uncontrolled variables shows that autism isn't caused by phones  or vaccines.

Do you realise it is not being written off because it is "unscientific".
It is being written off because it contradicts the studies which are scientific.

What would you expect  people on a science web page to say?
Would you expect them to say "Well, we know that we have the results from properly conducted experiments, but Clive says we are wrong, so we should believe him" or something like that?

[evan_au]

I do not use any type of electronic communication

I am left wondering which type of non-electronic connection to the internet you used as you typed this sentence?

[Wishywashy]

The RF radiation from cell phone towers can mess with your body's own EMFs, causing a many kinds of potential health problems such as headaches, memory loss, cardiovascular stress, low sperm count, birth defects and various types of cancer.

[alancalverd]

Citation needed.

[alancalverd]

Oddly enough, there is a growing hint that inadequate or pathological gut flora may be linked to autism, which provides some kind of explanation for Andrew Wakefield's extraordinary claims. His field was gastroenterology, not psychology or immunology, and it is just possible that he discovered one side of a triangle but associated it with the irrelevant vertex.

It is important to beware of cognate or coincidental phenomena presented as consequential.

[Bored chemist]

I do not use any type of electronic communication

I am left wondering which type of non-electronic connection to the internet you used as you typed this sentence?

I'm guessing at the power of  suggestion.

[CliveG]

I do not use any type of electronic communication

I am left wondering which type of non-electronic connection to the internet you used as you typed this sentence?

My faux pas. I should have said I try not to use cell phone communication or DECT phones unless I have to.

Do I blame haste, old age or cell tower brain damage for such a silly mistake? 

I spoke to two people the other side of our tower. They have now taken to sleeping in their office building away from the tower.He had prostate cancer which was in remission. It is now returning. Headaches, disturbed sleep and tiredness, and memory loss among a number of symptoms. So we have 4 people. One EHS (myself) and 3 others who are affected. Both couples are going to sell their houses despite their sentimental attachments. In a bad market for sellers. But hey, people need a good signal and too bad some of us must suffer.

I spoke to another woman with severe EHS. And they are putting up a fourth tower around her housing complex. She is suffering and is well aware of sources of cell microwave. Apparently the cell microwaves can get induced in wiring such as a landline telepone. She is chemically sensitive - one of the factors listed as contributing to EHS. I am also sensitive to any medications and feel any side effects very quickly.

[CliveG]

Check with some junior school teachers as to the prevalence of autism

[snip]

Are you telling us that, when you were at school, there weren't any odd, nerdy kids?
[snip]

A BIG difference between kids that are nerdy or odd and kids who cannot learn what is appropriate or not. Many on medications for mental disorders.

Anecdotal sure. But to listen to how tough it can be to have a classroom with a number of such kids...

[CliveG]

Swedish lifespan drop. Will have to find the reference.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[Bored chemist]

He had prostate cancer which was in remission. It is now returning.

Do you have any idea why they call it "remission" rather than cure?

Apparently the cell microwaves can get induced in wiring such as a landline telepone.

In a very real sense.
They use special cabling for microwave signals precisely because microwaves are attenuated very strongly by transmission through normal cabling.
So, that claim makes no sense.

This is part of your problem; you believe any old tosh that tallies with your viewpoint, even if it is obviously wrong to anyone with a grasp of science.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Yes, and your contention doesn't fit into the "statistics" category.
Seriously if Sweden's citizens were dropping dead, we would all have heard about it.
The population may well be shrinking, but that's a different matter entirely- it happens when people decide to have fewer kids.


Have you forgotten that you already made similarly laughable comments about Stockholm?

https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=safety-xray
says
"Chest X-ray   0.1 mSv"
They were the first site Google found.
The second one I found
https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/cvimaging/documents/lectures/18DEC13_Fleischmann_RadiationDoseRisk_final_HANDOUT.pdf
 says 5 to 8 mSv

A third
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28981835
says
The average effective doses for AP, PA and lateral projections were 0.14, 0.07 and 0.22 mSv, respectively.

The value I picked (at random) seems to be at the low end, but in the right ballpark.

A chest xray is about 0.02 mSv

It seems there's a mistake in either all 3 of the pages I cited, or in the one you didn't cite.

I suspect people will form their own conclusions.

In any event, it hardly matters. If a chest xray is .02 rather than .1 that's a factor of 5.
Most people in Stockholm are not 50% dead in 5 months .

The number you cited is not just wrong, but it is absurd.

Why do you do this?

[Bored chemist]

Check with some junior school teachers as to the prevalence of autism

[snip]

Are you telling us that, when you were at school, there weren't any odd, nerdy kids?
[snip]

A BIG difference between kids that are nerdy or odd and kids who cannot learn what is appropriate or not. Many on medications for mental disorders.

Anecdotal sure. But to listen to how tough it can be to have a classroom with a number of such kids...

You snipped the important bit.

[evan_au]

Check with some junior school teachers as to the prevalence of autism

Much of the current increase in autism is due to the change in definition that occurred in the 2013, where it was expanded from a specific condition in infants to an "Autism Spectrum Disorder", which took in far more people, including adults.

My wife is a teacher, and she sees many children who are "on the spectrum". Sometimes she sees that their parents would also have been classified as "on the spectrum", if such a definition had existed then.

So I expect that there is a genetic component as well as an environmental component (after all, your parents provide most of your genes and some of your environment).
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Causes

[alancalverd]

It's a brilliant spectrum, just like the black body: there is no lower bound, so everyone is on it. Great for marketing all sorts of drugs and excluding anyone from school who finds the National Curriculum boring and pointless. The good news is that being placed somewhere in the low infrared of the spectrum seems to be the mark of a scientific genius or a future billionaire.
 

[evan_au]

...and talking of spectrum... some ASD diagnostic criteria that you won't find in DSM-5:
- Love of the color green
- Fascination with trains (and/or dinosaurs)

Favorite colours are an important topic for kids. I told my grandkids that my favorite colour was infra-red (since it's really cool, and I use it a lot in my work).
When asked to guess what colour my new car would be, Liitle Miss 5 said "I know, it's infra-red!".

[CliveG]

He had prostate cancer which was in remission. It is now returning.

Do you have any idea why they call it "remission" rather than cure?

Apparently the cell microwaves can get induced in wiring such as a landline telepone.

In a very real sense.
They use special cabling for microwave signals precisely because microwaves are attenuated very strongly by transmission through normal cabling.
So, that claim makes no sense.

This is part of your problem; you believe any old tosh that tallies with your viewpoint, even if it is obviously wrong to anyone with a grasp of science.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Yes, and your contention doesn't fit into the "statistics" category.
Seriously if Sweden's citizens were dropping dead, we would all have heard about it.
The population may well be shrinking, but that's a different matter entirely- it happens when people decide to have fewer kids.


Have you forgotten that you already made similarly laughable comments about Stockholm?

https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=safety-xray
says
"Chest X-ray   0.1 mSv"
They were the first site Google found.
The second one I found
https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/cvimaging/documents/lectures/18DEC13_Fleischmann_RadiationDoseRisk_final_HANDOUT.pdf
 says 5 to 8 mSv

A third
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28981835
says
The average effective doses for AP, PA and lateral projections were 0.14, 0.07 and 0.22 mSv, respectively.

The value I picked (at random) seems to be at the low end, but in the right ballpark.

A chest xray is about 0.02 mSv

It seems there's a mistake in either all 3 of the pages I cited, or in the one you didn't cite.

I suspect people will form their own conclusions.

In any event, it hardly matters. If a chest xray is .02 rather than .1 that's a factor of 5.
Most people in Stockholm are not 50% dead in 5 months .

The number you cited is not just wrong, but it is absurd.

Why do you do this?

Why are you so unscientific?

Any uninsulated wiring or metal is an antenna. The high frequency waves can generate signals in the wiring. The signals can also be demodulated by differences in the conductivity in one direction as opposed to the other direction. As an electrical engineer with experience in the susceptibility of circuits I should know a thing or two.

Boy, do you pretend you know it all!

Stockholm. I justified my comments and put numbers to them. Your scorn is misdirected.

Dosage from xrays can vary greatly according to the technology. I took my reference from a well-respected site. Why bang on with more scorn?

Your boredom is showing, and you are not contributing, only sabotaging the thread. If the cell industry is not paying you then they should.

I am going away to a health resort to recover for a few days. Be back next week.

Here is an excellent video to make you think in the mean time. He is an eminent scientist.

emfsa.co.za/videos/dr-martin-pall-to-the-nih-the-5g-rollout-is-absolutely-insane/

He gives many reviews on the various problems.

[CliveG]

Another one.

youtube.com/watch?v=_Up8bqiJN2k&list=PLvjgztX_Uo3YWxfJ4gkfzWn1IV1XeA3qr&index=3

The two camps - poles apart....