[puppypower]

This allows us to be omnipresent. Everything in the universe appears to overlap as a point so we see everywhere at the same time.

That's not true. The Universe's length according to that particular axis may be zero, but its other dimensions will still be non-zero. A photon travelling from the Sun to Vega isn't going to be at Alpha Centauri. Not even in its own reference frame.

What I am going to do now, is take out my trusty microscope and magnify that point so it now appears 1 meter in diameter. I am still traveling at the speed of the light, so the point-instant and omnipresent still applies.

That makes no mathematical sense. Magnifying a point of zero size will never give you an object 1 meter across. Zero is zero regardless of the magnification.

What if all we see is the expanding of the universe at this point? We could never know what was before , we don't even know what is really happening now. For all we know , it could be a constant cycle of rinse and repeat . Maybe this isn't the first time . Might just expand so far then come back in on itself. Nature loves to recycle .Maybe that's your answer , we have been and always will be , there fore the big bang will happen over and over again . If that's the answer ...my next question would be , does it follow the same course over and over or is it new every time it renews?

That has indeed been proposed before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

I used the linear movement for simplicity. To get the affect I speak of would require a spherical orbit at the speed of light, similar to the 1S orbital of the hydrogen atom. Just as the Uncertainty Principle places the electron into a volume; omnidirectional vector, this would have the affect of  everything being pulled into a point-instant at C.

The magnification of the point reference, to say one meter, is possible because the point is a reference illusion and not a state of nature. If we slowed from C, we would notice the point is now spread out over distance and time. Magnification does the same thing to reference, however, since this does not leave the C reference, time remains frozen at an instant; omnipresent.

In terms of moving in time independent of distance, this can be modeled as slowing down a movie using super slow motion. The slowing down of the movie, does not impact the size of the movie in space. This is independent of spatial characteristics. 

For example, if there is a close play in sports, we might use super slow motion so we can see more details, within the same space and time frame. Slow motion allows more details to be seen in the same space, so we get a more accurate universal picture; omniscience. 

This super slow motion mechanism has the opposite affect in inertial reference. If we slow the action of a movie, then faster objects become more conscious. Slowing in the C reference is allowing perception of faster objects in inertial. The singularity of the BB, which was a very fast event, would require nearly complete slow motion to be made conscious; manifest, in real time.

Photons are interesting in that they have two legs, one leg is in the speed of light reference and the other leg is in inertial reference. They do not fully express the C reference. In other words, things moving at the speed of light should create a reference that is very uniform; all will head to the point-instant. As such, if photons were only in the speed of light reference, we would not see variations in wavelength and frequency. Rather all photos would become homogenize. The fact that photons can travel at C, yet maintain unique and distinct inertial scale characteristics, in space and time; wavelength and frequency, implies photons are partly in inertial reference; two legs connecting the discontinuity between C and inertial. Photons do not exactly express a pure C reference. Photons cannot be used to explain the speed of light reference, but rather are an inertial artifact connected to the C reference.

As an experiment, if I shined a light at a distant test object, I can get a photoelectric affect to characterize the wavelength of my light. If the object was to reflect some of the light back, the exact same potential affect will occur on my end.

If we do the same thing, but have one or both of the references in motion, the wavelength will change due to the Doppler shift, but the speed of light remains constant even if we appear to add or subtract velocity to or from C. The speed of light aspects does not change. That affect we see is connected to the inertial leg of the photon.

This inertial leg is generated at the junction between omnipresence and omniscience; magnification and super slow mo. The speed of the light reference, sees this as two disconnected affects that are independent of each other. The inertial reference sees it as a combination of distance and time potential; photon.

If we go back to the speed of light reference if one could move in time without the constraint of distance and in distance without the constraint of time, you would exist in a state of maximum entropy.  Any and all form of complexity would be possible without the limits impose by space time. This would be similar to using the imagination to make connections, that may not be practical in reality, but which if attempt will add to universal complexity; chaos.

If you were in the C reference and came to focus, and thereby limit yourself, via magnification and slow motion, this will lower local entropy, with a lowering of entropy giving off energy. This topic is about creation of the universe. I start at a speed of light reference and maximum entropy. We lower entropy and release energy, by coming to a focus. The singular of the BB, needs  super slow motion cranked up so we can see a very fast event. Distance magnification does not have to be very much; small size. The lowering of entropy releases energy.

[Kryptid]

Does anyone have a translation into plain English for all of that?

[suhail jalbout (OP)]

@ Daxiazun

Sorry for interrupting your interesting and educational debate to answer Daxiazun.

The main question is: from where mater and energy came in the first place? This question is legitimate because we believe that everything that exist in our universe should have an origin. So it is in the human nature to ask this question. I think there are the following possibilities:

1.   Matter and energy were created from nothing.  This is not possible. Nothing cannot produce something because nothing does not exist.

2.   Matter and energy were created from other forms of matter and energy that can create but are not created. Since there is no evidence to the existence of such type of matter and energy, this possibility is also not valid.

3.   Matter and energy always existed. This possibility has evidence. They exist in two cyclic forms: either in the form of a BBBH or in the form of a universe. BBBHs produce universes and collapsed universe produce BBBHs. A complete closed loop.  I do realize the difficulty in accepting this possibility but there is always a special case to the norm. I am looking forward for our scientists to create special “Strong AI” robots with huge “brain plasticity” and consciousness geared to answer debatable human questions.

I believe it will follow the same course over and over again because the creation of the BBBH and the universe follow the same repeated process. The process of manufacturing say chemical plants is the same no matter where it is erected. The only difference between older and new ones is in the development of the process control systems so as to attain optimal conditions in time and productivity

[Bored chemist]

 Matter and energy were created from nothing.  This is not possible.

Except it is known to actually happen.
So, you writing it off as "impossible" just shows that you need to learn more science before you criticise it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

[puppypower]

Does anyone have a translation into plain English for all of that?

At the speed of light the integration of space-time breaks down. This can be inferred by plugging in the speed of light C in the equations of special relativity. Both time and distance become mathematical discontinuities. This creates a discontinuity in space-time, allowing space to act independent of time and time to act independent of space.

This discontinuity of space-time at the speed of light reference, is the ground state of the universe. Energy, as photons, although traveling at the speed of light is not entirely in the ground state of the speed of light reference. This can be inferred from the observation, photons has finite components; wavelength and frequency, where space and time are integrated. Doppler shift of energy, for example, due to relative motion in space-time, is an inertial feature, that is not found in the ground state. Photons have two legs with one in the ground state and the in inertial.

The speed of light ground state, where time and space can act independently, is a state of maximized entropy. It is the source of the second law. If one could move in time without the constraint of distance and/or move in distance without the constraint of time, then all states of complexity are possible, simultaneously. The ground state does not have the same physical limits as the inertial universe. If you plug extreme entropy into the Free Energy Equation G=H-TS, maximized entropy of the ground state is a state of infinite negative energy. It is the ground state from which inertial energy can appear, if the potential is able to increase.

If we were to lower entropy, within the ground state, such as by simulating the space-time, where space and time pseudo-connect as pseudo space*****time,  the loss of local entropy would release free energy, that has been tied up as entropy. Now we have energy, but not yet space-time, since as it was shown, photons have one leg in the ground state; C, and another leg in inertial, with this new state at higher potential than the ground state at C.

If we wanted to make matter and antimatter in the lab, we need to use very high energy photons. These extreme energy photons will split with the result being matter and antimatter particle pairs. This tells us that matter (and anti-matter) are at the upper limits of energy and therefore matter has even more potential than does energy.

If matter was at lower potential than energy, matter would only appear from the weakest energy photons and not the highest energy photons. That being said, if we created energy from the ground state, we need to add more potential to form matter. Matter and mass is at the highest potential in the universe relative to the ground state.

When matter and antimatter form, these quickly lower potential and reform energy. Somehow, we ended up with only matter. This created a situation where that was no direct way to lower potential back to energy, as had been the case for matter and anti-matter.

Matter cannot travel at C and therefore matter defines and maintains a discontinuity with the ground state at C, that we call space-time. However, since the ground state is the big dog of the universe, it has an impact on energy, space-time and matter. Universal Entropy has to increase, driven by the extreme entropy of the ground state. Matter will find ways to convert to the bridge state called energy; forces of nature, while energy needs to lose its inertial leg (potential) such as via a red shift and expansion.

Also, since since the ground state is at infinite entropy and inertial has practical physical limits in terms of possible physical states for entropy, due to matter and space-time, the entropic potential creates an affect that we attribute to chaos and randomness.

As an analogy for this entropy-chaos affect, say we imagine something in our mind, where the laws of physics can be broken, but only in our mind. For example, I can image a glass caviler beam, that is 1 meter thick and can span 1 mile without central supports. This can be imagined, but it is not practical in hard reality. It is state of entropy; complexity, in terms of my mind. However, if I attempted to build this, the practical  limitations of inertial and space-time will not allow this to occur.  Instead I would increase entropy as a pile of rubble; chaos. The ground state has this impact on matter, albeit smaller in scale.

The living state is interesting since it is a state of perpetual entropy increase. Metabolism, for example, is constantly increasing universal entropy. Entropy is also the drive behind evolution val the DNA.  More of this another time.

[Kryptid]

That was rather like asking someone to translate Spanish to English for me, and then giving me the Spanish again. I think you are using a bunch of words in ways that don't make sense together.

[Origin]

That was rather like asking someone to translate Spanish to English for me, and then giving me the Spanish again. I think you are using a bunch of words in ways that don't make sense together.

I think the problem is that gibberish can't be translated to any language and make sense.

[puppypower]

Let me talk slower, since Spanish is often a fast sounding language. If you look at the equations for Einstein's theory of Special Relativity, and plug in V=C in the Lorenz factor, you end up dividing the equations for relativistic mass, distance and time by zero. Below is the equation for time dilation as an example.



Division by zero, implies these functions become discontinuous at the speed of light. Space-Time cannot not maintain its continuity, when composed of two discontinuous functions. At the speed of light space-time breaks down.

One way to model this discontinuity is to assume that space and time at C, separate into space that is independent of time and time that is independent of space. Such a state would be fully discontinuous with a state where the two are connected. 

Mass according to the SR equations also cannot go the speed of light or relativistic mass becomes infinite, which would take infinite energy. Mass/matter is also discontinuous at C. Mass/matter can only exist in inertial references below C, where space-time is connected thereby placing practical limits on matter. There are no practical limits when space and time act independently without matter to drag around.

The discontinuous state where time and space are disconnected represents a state of maximum entropy. Unlike space-time that has constraints, based on the limitations of matter and space-time all having to work together, the discontinuous state does not have these same limitations.

The discontinuity state define a state of minimal potential in term of the second law. This state at C of maximum entropy is the ground state of the universe, while the limitation of inertial and space-time sets potentials with the ground state. All that occurs in space-time and the inertial universe can be explained by this potential, including the living state.




 

[Kryptid]

The discontinuous state where time and space are disconnected represents a state of maximum entropy.

There goes your Spanish again. Space and time don't have entropy.

The discontinuity state define a state of minimal potential in term of the second law.

Minimum potential... of what? What definition of the word "potential" are you using here?

This state at C of maximum entropy is the ground state of the universe, while the limitation of inertial and space-time sets potentials with the ground state.

No habla español. Make sure you know what words mean before you assemble them together in a sentence.

[puppypower]

The main source of mass in the universe is connected to the hydrogen atom. The hydrogen atom is composed of a proton and an election.The election and proton are the big dogs of the universe. In that sense, they as a whole, set the highest potential with the ground state. Lowering this potential, moves the universe forward; fusion and mass burn. 

If we look at electrons and protons, these entities are indistinquishable from each other, yet they  are all over the place. It reminds me of the ground state, where one can be in many places at the same time, while also being a center of reference at each place; omnipresence. This abundance in space is an entropic impact from the ground state.

If we extrapolate the hydrogen atom forward into chemistry, there is a state in chemistry called hydrogen bonding. A hydrogen bond is a hydrogen proton, that is covalently bonded to another  atom forming a secondary and weaker bond, called the hydrogen bond. The big dog of the universe, has the maximum potential with the ground state, even in this case. This is important to life.

What is interesting about the hydrogen bond is it has both polar and covalent character. The significance of this the hydrogen bond is similar to a binary switch, that has two settings each of which slants the electromagnetic force toward the electrostatic or the magnetic side. 

The polar aspect of hydrogen bonding lowers potential by getting charges as close as possible. This is an example of an electrostatic affect. The covalent aspect of hydrogen bonding has to align atomic orbitals even when this means moving away for proper alignment. In this case, the magnetic aspect of the EM force dominates the electrostatic aspect. This little binary switch is key to life and is light years ahead of semiconductor switches.

The polar side of the binary switch has higher entropy, while the covalent side has lower entropy due to the needed orbital overlap into precise patterns. The ground state at C prefers the polar side of the switch, which is the most common in water and nature. The living state can flip the switch away from the ground state, more often, thereby creating potential for other things.

There is thing called cooperative hydrogen bonding. This where many hydrogen bonds form in a cluster. For example, water or H2O, can form four hydrogen bonds, two donor and two receiver. This allows water to form extended structures in 3-D. similar to carbon, with the entire thing held together by hydrogen bonds. In cooperative hydrogen bonds, not only is everything connected by hydrogen bonds, but electron will delocalize and move around the cluster. Cooperation is way to increase election entropy; ground state. Water and the molecules of life form cooperative hydrogen bonds and then extract energy by breaking the cooperative; lowered entropy releases energy. .   

Let me change direction slightly and look at the atom, oxygen, which plays a role in these affects in water. Oxygen, as oxide or O-2, is stable with two more electrons than protons. This is another example of the electromagnetic force shifted to the magnetic side. If electrostatic was more balance and less skewed, O-2 would need to shed two electrons for charge balance. Instead oxygen aggressively yanks electrons off nearly all atoms to create the charge imbalance. Oxygen has a very strong slant to the magnetic side of the EM force, driven by enhanced electron stability and entropy; filled p-orbitals.

When Oxygen and Hydrogen combine as water, H2O, we have a central oxygen atoms with high magnetic potential slant, bonded to hydrogen (the big dog), which can then form hydrogen bonds with another Oxygen, that are a binary switch between polar and covalent, or between electrostatic and magnetic slants. This situation appears to be very receptive to the ground state, as reflected by water being the most analogous substance in nature with over 70 anomalies; able to maximize entropy better that any other state of matter. 

[puppypower]

There goes your Spanish again. Space and time don't have entropy.

In SR, velocity is the working variable. Velocity takes energy; velocity implies momentum and kinetic energy. This kinetic energy, near C, becomes expressed as potentials  in space, time and mass governed by the SR equations. Without some form of energy, as motion, even relative motion, you will not see any of these affects. There is no red shift without some kinetic energy in one of the frames. In the twin paradox, these potentials can even leave a lasting affect on matter. This was demonstrated with radioactive decay. Potential is involved.

At C we have infinite relativistic potential in mass, time and space, but mass/matter cannot move at the speed of light. The Infinite potential can only exist for space and time at C, while the discontinuity means space and time are not connected as space-time. This potential is not energy or photons, since these are connected in space and time; wavelength and frequency. The potential is an another state. Maybe information entropy is a better term. Entropy absorbs energy as it increases. At infinite entropy, there is no useable free energy potential left; ground state. The ground state has infinite entropy. Forming the universe requires lowering entropy to release the potential hidden in entropy.

One of the big problems is you in general, instinctively want to maintain a relative earth reference in your mind to view a universal ground state that is not relative since space-time does not apply, If the speed of light is the same in all references, whatever this C reference looks like, will also be the same for all. When I say ground state of the universe, this is universal and not relative. What that unique reference may look like to an observer, is subject to discussion. 

The paradox is how do you have a ground state that the math says has infinite potential? Well you let the second law absorb the energy potential to zero, by going all the way to infinite entropy. This  entropy, without matter is information entropy. It is something like omnipresence and omniscience, or moving in time without the restriction of space and moving space without the restrictions of time.

Entropy has to increase, according to the second law, which means more and more entropy means smaller potential remaining; ground state. Inertial references are all at higher potential than the ground state and are all heading there, little by little.

We need to lower the entropy, from maximum, to release the hidden potential, to form the universe. After that, this potential in inertial space, slowly goes back to the ground state.

[Kryptid]

One of the big problems is you in general, instinctively want to maintain a relative earth reference in your mind to view a universal ground state that is not relative since space-time does not apply

My "problem" is that I want to read sentences that make sense. The way you use words like "entropy", "potential" and "ground state" don't. Look up their definitions before making your next post.

[Bored chemist]

That was rather like asking someone to translate Spanish to English

It's not Spanish
It's not English

It's rubbish (or, if  you prefer, gibberish)

[Bored chemist]

This is another example of the electromagnetic force shifted to the magnetic side.

No
It's due to lattice energy- which is electrostatic.

Have you considered not posting stuff that's obviously wrong?

[Felix_0_0]

Hi

I hear what you are saying OP, but I do not quite get how we can just state that matter has always been there. Kind of seems like the generic or default answer, because it cannot be answered. Sorry to those I mind f*** with the following. I also like to think about the origins of the universe, well really the origin of everything. Even a funny thought. The problem is that when you overanalyze everything it starts messing with your belief system. Anyway.

The way to realize something is to break it down by the number of layers that exist. Let me make an example of this. There is a hair on the table in front of you. The hair came from you, you came from your parents, your parents from theirs, etc. Humans came from animals walking on land, Animals walking on land came from animals in the ocean, animals in the ocean came from plants in the ocean, etc etc etc. When we get to the single cell which you can kind of call God, you are still left with the main question. What created the first thing? If it was nothingness, who created the nothingness.

How can something create itself? Look at your hands... and realize you are this organized energy form. Now answer me this... How are you here? How is it possible for anything around you to exist in the first place? How does consciousness exist in the first place? Even if aliens created us, or we are trapped in a Matrix, it does not matter. Those are all post theories, because I would just continue with who created the aliens, etc.
Now if we look at the general mindsets of people, we find the people are in denial, we thrive to forget some truth hidden in the background, that we exist as one entity (God) that divided itself up so many times it forgot it was one being. Today it lives in total insanity as us... you and me, lol.

My main point remains, how is it possible for anything to exist? For us to exist?
For consciousness to exist, without ever being created?
Who are we? Where did we come from?

[puppypower]

This is another example of the electromagnetic force shifted to the magnetic side.

No
It's due to lattice energy- which is electrostatic.

Have you considered not posting stuff that's obviously wrong?

A charge in motion will create a magnetic field. If the charge was to stop, the magnetic field we be at a minimum. Electron sharing via covalent bonding orbitals, causes electron delocaton, which implies enhance motion of the electrons for enhanced magnetic affects, using the same number of electrons.

In the case of oxygen and oxide, O-2, it can accept two extra electrons, so it can fills the 2P orbitals, which are show below. The lobes of the p-orbitals are orientated perpendicular to each other; x.y.z axis. This configuration will optimize all the electrons in motion, via the right hand rule.  This will optimize the magnetic force vector addition in 3-D space, as the electrons circulate around the oxygen nucleus. This magnetic addition stabilizes the electrostatic repulsion caused by having two extra negative charges. I call it slanted to the M side because that is what it is. Just the shape of the p-orbitlas and 3-D magnetic addition gives it away.

The strongest hydrogen bonds occur with the most electronegative atoms, like oxygen. Highly electronegative atoms, like oxygen, chlorine, etc., all have the magnetic slant in common, since they can accept extra electrons. This host atom, like oxygen, allows the hydrogen bond to act like a binary EM switch; mostly E, but some M induction.

In the case of water, the hydrogen bond between an oxygen and hydrogen can transition from a polar hydrogen bond to a hydrogen bond with covalent character; flip the switch, and then go even further all the way to a full scale covalent bond to oxygen. Another  covalent bond between oxygen and hydrogen, will shift into a hydrogen bond with covalent character, then to polar if need be; pH affect. This is a more complex switch with a wider bandwidth.

[puppypower]

One of the big problems is you in general, instinctively want to maintain a relative earth reference in your mind to view a universal ground state that is not relative since space-time does not apply

My "problem" is that I want to read sentences that make sense. The way you use words like "entropy", "potential" and "ground state" don't. Look up their definitions before making your next post.

Let me use some existing physics data and observation to explain these terms. Matter and anti-matter can form from high energy photons. Matter and antimatter pairs do not form from low energy photons like radio waves or visible light. You need to crank up the energy potential much higher to make matter (and antimatter).

Wha that tells me is matter (and antimatter) begins at higher potential than energy begins. Matter is like the celling, while energy is like the floor in terms of their relative spectrum of potential. If we plotted energy and then matter as a function of E=MC2, matter only appears high up the y-axis. I would express this by saying that matter is at higher potential than energy,  The direction of a universal ground state, would be below the floor. The red shift of all energy in the expanding universe, is heading this energy toward the floor, lowering potential by increasing wavelengh. You guys make it too complicated. 

By ground state, I am not talking of a relative state. I am speaking of an absolute state of lowest potential, relative to any potential you can name. This entire discussion has been about the speed of light reference. Einstein said the speed of light is the same in all references. One could extrapolate this to also mean, that the speed of light reference will also be the same in all references. This is universal reference common to all.

My esoteric analysis was trying to show that the speed of light reference is the universal ground state, and exists below matter and energy in terms of potential. Matter is the celling, energy is the floor and C is in the basement. I am having a problem explaining infinite time and infinite space that are discontinuous with space-time, allowing minimal potential; universal ground state.

You are thinking in relative terms, but I am expressing absolute terms. Your are trying to pin point potential to a unique relative situation, which is how an engineer will deal with the task at hand. But I am defining potential and ground state in terms of something universal, applicable to all reference and all situations in those references.

[Bored chemist]

Wha that tells me is matter (and antimatter) begins at higher potential than energy begins.

Thank you for identifying the root of your misunderstanding.

[Kryptid]

Matter is like the celling, while energy is like the floor in terms of their relative spectrum of potential. If we plotted energy and then matter as a function of E=MC2, matter only appears high up the y-axis.

Energy and matter are not things to be compared and contrasted with each other. Matter has energy. Light has energy. Photons and electrons have energy. It is incorrect to say that light or photons are energy. Photons have energy as a property. Unlike matter or light, energy is not some independent physical entity. There is no such thing as "pure" energy. Trying to put matter and energy on a single axis is therefore nonsensical. The reason that photons have to be of such high (gamma ray) energies to form particles like electron-positron pairs is because electrons and positrons have a minimum mass-energy. Photons do not, and can have a mass-energy that is arbitrarily low.

[Petrochemicals]

It was god