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Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?

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Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« on: 31/01/2020 00:31:38 »
Naked 1.30.19
Why doesn’t the electron flow into the proton?
GG: According to my latest book “The Dual Light Speed Universe and the Dot-Wave Theory with  Quantum Entanglement 2020 Chapter 3.
    You have to calculate the Einsteinian mass increase as the electron moves into the Bohr orbit. As shown in my book. From Einstein’s formula
M = 1.000026627 Mo
This increase is 13.606EV which is the same as the binding energy of the electron
  As the electron moves closer to the proton its mass keeps increasing and the repulsive force increases. Therefore the answer is simple Einsteinian/Newtonian physics. If you force the electron into the proton by compressive forces you get a single unstable neutron. Yet when you add other things to the mix it can be a stable atom.
Another question concerns the creation of the universe.
GG: Firstly one big mistake is assuming that the universe was created. I do not have a time dimension. I have X, Y, Z, Co, and Cs. An object traveling faster toward the speed of light spends more of its distance traveled in the Cs dimension. The net result is that the distance in the Co dimension looks shorter and time clock slows.
  The universe always existed. Sometimes it is high light speed waves and sometimes it is particles. We were not created by a superior intelligence. We were created by pure energy. In any event your ideas are very good. I call the big bang an inversion where high light speed energy flowed toward a pinpoint and became concentrated energy of our light speed.
   Three equations are important
E=MCC 
This is Einstein’s equation
M= CQ
Mass equals charge times the speed of light
MoC = QCC
Momentum equals charge time the speed of light squared
These are my three light speed equations which I explain in Chapter 5.
  The dot-waves go from a high mass low light speed state to a low mass high light speed state. Thus we live in a simple to explain universe where energy switches between dimensions which always existed.




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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #1 on: 31/01/2020 00:34:16 »
We already know why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #2 on: 31/01/2020 01:23:50 »
Because you are using a mathematical model, instead of a physical model.

The classical physical model shows the physical cause of ALL the properties of the particle......AND the proper changes of the properties with changing energy levels and accelerations.

This model also predicts the Periodic Table much more accurately and predicted new spectra and new nuclei, which has been confirmed.

In normal particle states, they can not touch one another because of the physical size difference.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #3 on: 31/01/2020 13:51:47 »
   What I am trying to show is that the universe we live in tends to produce simple algebraic equations that are easy to understand. Thus simple mathematical models permit us to understand why the electron doesn't flow into the proton. surely you can have more complex scientific understandings but the average person does not have the memory capacity or the ability to understand that. The brainiacs can but then only a few will understand how the universe works. And more people want an engineering level of understanding rather than a complex scientific understanding. And that is what I do.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #4 on: 31/01/2020 15:43:30 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 31/01/2020 13:51:47
What I am trying to show is that the universe we live in tends to produce simple algebraic equations that are easy to understand. Thus simple mathematical models permit us to understand why the electron doesn't flow into the proton. surely you can have more complex scientific understandings but the average person does not have the memory capacity or the ability to understand that. The brainiacs can but then only a few will understand how the universe works. And more people want an engineering level of understanding rather than a complex scientific understanding. And that is what I do.
But if your simple explanations are wrong, that is not very helpful!  In fact that is kind of the opposite of helpful.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #5 on: 31/01/2020 17:18:28 »
Your assertion that "mass equals charge times the speed of light" has already been falsified by observation. The electron and proton have equal charge, but the proton is almost 2,000 times more massive. The Z boson has no charge at all, but is even heavier than the proton.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #6 on: 31/01/2020 18:31:14 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 31/01/2020 00:31:38
Why doesn’t the electron flow into the proton?
GG: According to my latest book “The Dual Light Speed Universe and the Dot-Wave Theory with  Quantum Entanglement 2020 Chapter 3.
Because the book is wrong.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #7 on: 01/02/2020 00:18:54 »
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Origin says
But if your simple explanations are wrong, that is not very helpful!  In fact that is kind of the opposite of helpful.
GG:   Not necessarily. My models provide solutions which give the reader new ideas. I say that eventually we can obtain the energy from the proton. And if people try it and succeed, that is great. If they fail others may try. And eventually my method of doing this may be proved wrong. But we have to try.
  Is it true that the universe is radiating energy into another dimension? Where does the energy that enters the black hole go? I say it exits the black hole in the Cs dimension at very high light speed and very low mass.  That is one explanation that makes sense to me. Thus the universe loses energy from this light speed dimension and sends it into a higher light speed dimension.
The string people have similar ideas that we are part of a multi-dimensional universe. Are they wrong also? Yet I can calculate the time of the universe since after the big bang till now. Will my calculations help others to do something similar?
   So I produce a model of the universe from before the big bang. This may help others to produce a better perhaps more scientific model.  Thus I believe that my work is helpful even if it is not one hundred percent correct.



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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #8 on: 01/02/2020 00:47:33 »
Kryptid says:
   
Your assertion that "mass equals charge times the speed of light" has already been falsified by observation. The electron and proton have equal charge, but the proton is almost 2,000 times more massive. The Z boson has no charge at all, but is even heavier than the proton.
GG: Sorry to mislead you. The equation
M= QC is a unit equation. Kilograms = Coulombs times the speed of light
An electron is composed of 4.427E40 negative dot-waves. Each dot-wave has a charge of 3.471E-60 coulombs and a mass of 1.969E-71Kilograms.
The proton has 8.496E43 dot-waves. It has an equal number of positive dot-waves as does the electron. It also contains 4.245E43 bipolar dot-waves.
  The neutron has an equal distribution of plus and minus dot-waves. The Zbloson which I am not familiar with can be heavier than the proton and have more bipolar dot-waves in it.
   The dot-waves in a photon do not produce a front to rear image and thus the energy is planar. This makes them massless. The red photon has 1.711E35 bipolar dot-waves.
   The plus and minus dot-waves can form photons and particles but they cannot destroy each other. In some respects we have additional plus and minus dimensions however it may be so that within the electromagnetic fields the plus and minus dot-waves are kept separate.
   In my latest book my dot-waves tends to oscillate between dimensions for particles. Photons tend to stay within their own dimensions.  Thus the light Co photons stay within the light speed Co dimension. Yet when they attach to particles they have the opportunity to become light speed Cs photons. Then they are lost to our physical universe.
   You cannot measure a single dot-wave. It takes a huge amount to produce a particle or even a photon. Yet the universe is full of these dot-waves. 
They are the lowest quanta of mass and energy in the universe upon which everything else is built.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #9 on: 01/02/2020 05:32:02 »
So what kind of experiment could potentially falsify the claim that particles are composed of dot-waves? If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't science.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #10 on: 01/02/2020 10:36:01 »

Kryptid asks:
So what kind of experiment could potentially falsify the claim that particles are composed of dot-waves? If it isn't falsifiable, it isn't science.
GG: That is a tough question experimental science rather than theoretical science. Since the dot-waves are the ground of our being, and an electron is composed of so many of them, you only get to measure structures of huge numbers of them. You have to be able to measure the smallest quanta of electromagnetic fields. Likewise the smallest level of photon.
  Only when you are able to destroy the proton by having a spherical oscillating electromagnetic field together with spherical patterns of lasers can you readily destroy protons without linear accelerators. This is an engineering type job but it will take great effort and money. Then we will have abundant power which has no radioactive residue. Someday it will be done. We smash the proton but that requires more power than it produces. The proton thruster engine will produce more power than it uses.




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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #11 on: 01/02/2020 10:44:08 »
Bored Chemist says:
Because the book is wrong.
  The book has many different models in it. They are engineering type models. Since I get 13.78for the time since right after big bang and the astronomers get basically the same answer, my model does a good job on that. Likewise the percentage of dark energy/dark matter is from the astronomers so how wrong can that be? So I produce my engineering models from the latest scientific information I am able to find.
   You can say that my models are not accurate enough such as my calculation for the cycle time of the universe but so what. I am able to calculate the cycle time. Has anyone else done that? And if I am wrong even by 50 or 100 percent all it means is that in the future someone will produce a more accurate answer.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #12 on: 01/02/2020 13:36:47 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 01/02/2020 10:44:08
I am able to calculate the cycle time.
You have not even shown a reason to suppose that it is cyclical.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #13 on: 01/02/2020 21:33:31 »
BC says:You have not even shown a reason to suppose that it is cyclical.
GG: We are here and most likely given endless possibilities we will be back.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #14 on: 01/02/2020 22:06:43 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 01/02/2020 21:33:31
given endless possibilities

You don't know that there are.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #15 on: 02/02/2020 00:31:13 »

Quote from: jerrygg38 on 01/02/2020 00:18:54
Yet I can calculate the time of the universe since after the big bang till now.
Please show the math to do that.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #16 on: 02/02/2020 10:00:14 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 01/02/2020 21:33:31
BC says:You have not even shown a reason to suppose that it is cyclical.
GG: We are here and most likely given endless possibilities we will be back.
Why are you assuming that the possibilities are endless?
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #17 on: 02/02/2020 14:56:59 »
An electron does not flow into the proton, so why does an electron and positron annihilate, even though the positron is a smaller and faster target? During positron emission from a nucleus, an electron can find an emmitted positron quite easily.

One way to explain this is the proton and electron are in two different space-time references. The electron moves much faster, close to the speed of light, and therefore does not synchronize, in time and distance, with the proton.. In the case of the electron and positron both are in the same reference.

There is a branch of chemistry called relativistic quantum chemistry.

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Relativistic quantum chemistry combines relativistic mechanics with quantum chemistry to explain elemental properties and structure, especially for the heavier elements of the periodic table. A prominent example of such an explanation is the color of gold is due to relativistic effects; time shift in reflected light. It is not silvery like most other metals.

Initially quantum mechanics was developed without considering the theory of relativity.[1] Relativistic effects are those discrepancies between values calculated by models that consider and that do not consider relativity.[2]

Relativistic effects in chemistry can be considered to be perturbations, or small corrections, to the non-relativistic theory of chemistry, which is developed from the solutions of the Schrödinger equation. These corrections affect the electrons differently depending on the electron speed relative to the speed of light. Relativistic effects are more prominent in heavy elements because only in these elements do electrons attain sufficient speeds for the elements to have properties that differ from what non-relativistic chemistry predicts.

Chemical properties are connected to the outer most electrons of atoms as they interact. Inner electrons, as they get closer and closer to the nucleus, move faster and faster, like the skater pulling her arms in, to spin faster. There is a relativistic frame affect common to all the inner most elections of atoms. There is an uncertainty affect between inner electrons and nucleus references, so the electron keeps missing the target. 

Gold, for example, is very hard to make react; inert. One way to explain this is the outer most electrons of gold are in a different reference frame, than the outer electrons of oxidants like oxygen. It is difficult for oxygen to steal an electron from gold, since the target electron was there but not there?
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #18 on: 02/02/2020 15:16:04 »
Quote from: puppypower on 02/02/2020 14:56:59
An electron does not flow into the proton, so why does an electron and positron annihilate, even though the positron is a smaller and faster target? During positron emission from a nucleus, an electron can find an emmitted positron quite easily.

Electrons "find" protons just fine. They aren't absorbed by the proton because they can't be. The rules governing quantum mechanics won't let them.

Quote from: puppypower on 02/02/2020 14:56:59
One way to explain this is the proton and electron are in two different space-time references. The electron moves much faster, close to the speed of light, and therefore does not synchronize, in time and distance, with the proton.. In the case of the electron and positron both are in the same reference.

Not only does this not make sense, but it's entirely unnecessary. It's also refuted by the fact that there are cases where atomic nuclei can absorb electrons (electron capture). In order for that to happen, it has to be energetically favorable for a proton in the nucleus to turn into a neutron by capturing the electron. In most atoms, that isn't the case.
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Re: Why doesn't the electron flow into the proton?
« Reply #19 on: 02/02/2020 16:12:35 »
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 01/02/2020 10:44:08
Since I get 13.78for the time since right after big bang and the astronomers get basically the same answer,
Show your working.
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