[jerrygg38 (OP)]

Naked 2.19.20 7 am
What is the relationship between charge and mass in the electron and the proton?
   The most simple means by which the universe was produced is that it is composed a multiplicity of two things.  As we look at the various species of animal populations we find that they are composed of two things, one male and one female.  When we look at forces we find two things that are equal and opposite. Likewise for electricity we find positive and negative charges. It appears that the structure of everything comes in twos.
   The electron has a mate which is the positron. Positrons and electrons when combined produce photons which are electro-statically neutral. The electoral world thus consists of positive, negative, and neutral entities. The net result is that everything in the universe  are made from two basic things plus dot-waves and minus dot-waves and balanced neutral blends of the two things.
    The electrons appear to be a pure bred structure of negative sub-particles. Thus it is made from a huge number of negative dot-waves. The same is true of the positron except that it is made from positive dot-waves.  If the universe was composed of only electrons and positrons, the interactions would be such that particles produce photons and photons produce particles continuously. Such a universe could not produce any form of life as we know it. There would be no stars or planets. It would just be a meaningless universe.
  The proton consists of positive dot-waves and a large blend of bipolar dot-waves. It is composed of several sub-particles but each in turn is composed of blends of plus, minus, and bipolar dot-waves. It is the proton which enables life as we know it to exist.
  The simple universe is made from dot-waves which have the properties of both mass and charge. You cannot separate mass and charge. They are sister properties. They are interrelated by a simple constant K where K equals Kilograms per coulomb. Let us now find the constant K and the mass and charge of the dot-waves which comprise everything.
   We can specify the relationship in terms of the charge of the electron and the mass of the electron.
Me= K Qe
The mass of the electron is 0.910939E-30Kg
Qe = 1.60218E-19 coulombs
K= 5.68562E-12 Kg/Coulomb
The mass of a dot-wave can be found by using the longest wavelength of the universe and finding the equivalent rest mass of this wave. For a radius of 13.78 billion light years, the mass of a dot-wave is
Mdw = 1.96867E-71Kg
The number of dot-waves in an electron is 4.62718E40
The charge of a dot-wave is the charge Q divided by the number of dot-waves
Qdw = 3.47119E-60
   The electron is the ideal conversion particle because it contains only negative dot-waves. The same is true of the positron which only contains positive dot-waves. The proton is more complex. It contains the same amount of positive dot-waves as a positron but it contains many more bipolar dot-waves.
  Using the electron as the standard, the proton has a mass of 1.67262E-27Kg. Thus the proton has one Me positive charge Q’s and 1835.15 Bipolar Charge Q’s
  This means that the proton has the equivalent of 918.575 positive Q charges and 917.575 negative Q charges.
   As we look around the universe we find a huge amount of photons and particles each of which is produced by positive and negative dot-waves. When the dot-waves form spherical patterns and oscillate from a dot to a radius, they have the property of mass. When the dot-waves oscillated from zero to a radius that travel a t light speed Co and have energy but no mass 
  The electron, proton, and neutron are fairly simple structures. Various particles can be combinations of particles and photons. Therefore it is not that simple to find the equivalent number of electrons and positrons in various particles by measuring their charge and mass.
  To make matter more complex, dot-waves within the particles oscillate from a radius to a pinpoint and then pass through the pinpoint and travel into the next dimension of light speed Cs. In light speed Cs the dot-waves have the same energy but the mass is reduced by the square of the ratio of the light speeds. Thus
Mdws = Mdwo (Co/Cs)^2
   The mass is a particle depends upon the geometric structure of the particle and how much time it spends in the Co dimension and the Cs dimension.  At the same time the charge of a dot-wave various as the cube of the ratio of light speeds. Thus
Qdws = Qdwo(Co/Cs)^3
   Photons tend to remain in their dimensions. Light speed Co photons will remain in the light speed Co dimension however once they attach to a mass, they will move into the Cs dimension. Some of them will become light speed Cs photons. This will expand the universe and in the end of the process the light speed Co universe will be erased. In the far future the light speed Cs dimension will contract and another big bang inversion will occur.
  It only takes a multiplicity of two things to produce the entire universe.

   

[Bored chemist]

The most simple means by which the universe was produced is that it is composed a multiplicity of two things. 

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

H. L. Mencken

[puppypower]

If you compare an election-positron pair to an election-proton pair, the election and positron will find each other and annihilate. The election and proton, on the other hand, although finding each other to form at atom, will not annihilate.

The main difference has to do with the larger mass of the proton, relative to the positron. The larger mass of the proton appears to lower the potential between negative and positive charges. In other words, there is much is less potential to annihilate; change phase, when the positive charge is connected to the larger mass of the proton, compared to being connected to the lower mass of the positron. The larger mass of the proton prevents charge from becoming photons; annihilation products.

If you believe in a unified force, the larger mass of the proton, adds extra gravitational affects to the unified force, that is shared by the positive charge. The behavior of the positive charge is altered, at some level, or else both the proton and positron would both annihilate an election, differing only by time lag due to differing inertia.  This is not observed, so there is a fundamental change in terms of the positive charge induced by mass.

If we had a million positrons, a million protons, and two million elections all in a container, when the dust settled, we will always end up with a million hydrogen atoms, due to the stabilizing affect of the large mass of the proton.

[Bored chemist]

The main difference has to do with the larger mass of the proton, relative to the positron.

Yes... sort of

he larger mass of the proton appears to lower the potential between negative and positive charges.

No, it's just the mass conservation law.

[jerrygg38 (OP)]

Puppypower says:
If we had a million positrons, a million protons, and two million elections all in a container, when the dust settled, we will always end up with a million hydrogen atoms, due to the stabilizing affect of the large mass of the proton.
GG: The proton is a complex structure of many parts. The electron and the positron is a simple structure. They are balanced. therefore they can destroy each other and produce photons. The electron cannot grab a positive charge out of the proton and destroy it. Anyway puppypower has reasonable answers. You can catch a baseball with a catchers glove but you cannot catch a volleyball with that glove.

[puppypower]

Puppypower says:
If we had a million positrons, a million protons, and two million elections all in a container, when the dust settled, we will always end up with a million hydrogen atoms, due to the stabilizing affect of the large mass of the proton.
GG: The proton is a complex structure of many parts. The electron and the positron is a simple structure. They are balanced. therefore they can destroy each other and produce photons. The electron cannot grab a positive charge out of the proton and destroy it. Anyway puppypower has reasonable answers. You can catch a baseball with a catchers glove but you cannot catch a volleyball with that glove.

The electron and positron are like two baseballs being thrown at each other, while the electron and proton is like a baseball being thrown at a soccer ball that is slowly rolling on the ground. The curve ball that is added to the blend is the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. This principle states that you cannot know both position and momentum at the same time. This principle appears to be in affect for the electron and proton pair, but is somehow suspended for the electron and positron pair. Two faster moving tiny things find each other with much higher probability.

I have mentioned, in other discussions, there is no good main stream explanation for the underlying physical basis of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. If such an explanation existed, it would allow us to explain how it can be suspended, for the electron and positron pair, but forever remain in affect for the proton and electron pair, so atoms can form and be long term sustainable.

My attempt at an explanation for the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, has to do with the assumption that the observational  references; to find each other, are different for the slow heavy proton and the light relativistic speed electron. On the other hand, the observational references are  similar for the two light relativistic speed election and positron.

Measuring from two different references, will create uncertainty in time and space relative to the other  reference, since the clocks and meter sticks will not off, relative to each other. We can stop time, in either reference, with a photographic snap shot, to determine positron, or we can measure momentum by affect in our reference. However, we cannot do both at the same time. We cannot anticipate the momentum; affect in time, to coordinate the taking of a still photograph, since our clocks and meter stick do not synchronize in space and time.

This leads to the question does the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle; reference based, also apply to all the fast moving objects in space, relative to our slow earth reference? Earth would be analogous to the slow moving proton, relative to these speedy objects which is analogous to the electron. This uncertainty may impact our energy balances; snapshots with uncertain momentum, requiring we add the dark energy addendum to compensate. This energy balance problem may also make it hard to find the center of the universe, beyond galaxy centers. Our galaxy is in roughly the same reference, but distant objects may not be.
 

[Kryptid]

If such an explanation existed, it would allow us to explain how it can be suspended, for the electron and positron pair

It isn't suspended. The reason that electron-positron pairs are unstable is because they are antiparticles of each other and therefore annihilate. The proton is not the antiparticle for the electron and therefore will not annihilate with it.

[jerrygg38 (OP)]

Kryptoid says: It isn't suspended. The reason that electron-positron pairs are unstable is because they are antiparticles of each other and therefore annihilate. The proton is not the antiparticle for the electron and therefore will not annihilate with it
GG: That is true but the why is not answered. The proton and anti-proton will destroy each other. So particles and anti-particles self destruct. Why?
As I see it, you have equal and opposite masses. You also have equal and opposite charges for the electron and positron. And more complicate equal and opposite sub-particles for the proton and anti-proton. Positive and negative appear as sub-dimensions. they cannot destroy each other but they can combine at the dimension barrier to form photons which are electro-statically neutral. Positive and negative thus attracts but does not destroy.
   This happens because the are balanced charge wise and mass wise. The proton and electron are not balanced mass wise. Thus they can never form a perfect photonic combination.

[Kryptid]

This happens because the are balanced charge wise and mass wise. The proton and electron are not balanced mass wise. Thus they can never form a perfect photonic combination.

Particles don't have to have equal mass to annihilate. A proton moving close to the speed of light has more mass than an antiproton at rest (in a given reference frame, that is). They will still annihilate if they collide.

[jerrygg38 (OP)]

Kryptoid says:Particles don't have to have equal mass to annihilate. A proton moving close to the speed of light has more mass than an antiproton at rest (in a given reference frame, that is). They will still annihilate if they collide.
GG: Yet since they have equal rest mass, they will produce the equal mass in each at the point of collision. Of course it is more complicated because the photonic products will have higher energy levels than if a proton and anti-proton walked quietly past each other and combined. And of course you are starting with initial high photonic energy levels.