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We can say that within space there are two light speed dimensions.
The orbit of the Moon is a circle according to the Earth.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 07/03/2020 17:07:12If a camera (on the Voyager) flashs and send a photon pack forward, the increasing/decreasing speed of intermediate distance between this photons and the Earth will be the value c +/- Vu.Not in Earth's reference frame it won't. The speed of the photon would always be measured as c.
If a camera (on the Voyager) flashs and send a photon pack forward, the increasing/decreasing speed of intermediate distance between this photons and the Earth will be the value c +/- Vu.
Quote from: xersanozgenThe orbit of the Moon is a circle according to the Earth.Editorial comment: In English, we would normally say "The orbit of the Moon is a circle relative to the Earth.".Or perhaps "The orbit of the Moon is a circle according to an observer on the Earth."Apology: English is a rather irregular language, thrown together from many disparate ingredients...
But this phrase is incorrect: "The photon always moves away with the speed c from its source or any reference frame.
The main mistake of special relativity theory is to give a reference role to a local object.
I still don't know what your argument against special relativity is.
Of cource, you may prefer to get or not; your choice.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 09/03/2020 13:28:41The main mistake of special relativity theory is to give a reference role to a local object. Given that experimental evidence backs up special relativity's predictions, it's not a mistake. It's the observed reality.
The hypothesis that life derives from rotten meat was sensed from observations. And it was proven by broth experiments in the jar.
Xersanozgen The speed v (of local place, a train or source) is belonging to a most internal frame. c and v are never used in a same formula; the speed value of the train must be adapted according to the reference frame of light's velocity: Vu.GG: The importance of the speed of the photon is that is the standard. Photons always travel at C in a vacuum. If you take the geometric mean of C-V and C+ V you get Einstein's formula for length and clock speed. What does that mean? Space and time take into account the C and V. The space time package does care about the C and V.
Do we analyse everythings which have speed by SR mentality? For example brain's thinking speed or PC's processing speed. If we continuously push the "a " button its writing speed on the monitor does not get an addition from train's speed like light.My own discussions:1- The formations in universe are ranking at hiererchical order in accordance with their capacities. Moon, Earth Sun, Galaxy, local cluster, super cluster.... universe...multiverse, space (LCS). The value of light’s velocity ( c ) is a relative speed according to outmost reference frame (LCS). The speed v (of local place, a train or source) is belonging to a most internal frame. c and v are never used in a same formula; the speed value of the train must be adapted according to the reference frame of light's velocity: Vu.2- SR allows to accept the same value of light’s relative velocity according to every sequential frames; Earth, Solar system, galaxy, ....., Universe, outer space. Its argument is “Physics rules are the same in everywhere”. This argument is valid; but at that form: “The present measuring experiment gives the same value ‘ c ‘ on everywhere”. Because this specific experiment can measure just universal speed of light; not local relative speed according to its source. We must can distinguish the serious difference of meaning (nuance) between those phrases "it is measured" and "it always moves away with the speed c from its source"3- The special theory of relativity wants the uniform motion of the K’ system as an initial requirement. This condition is the Galilean relativity principle and applies to the relativity of objects that have mass. When we release a pebble freely in a train travelling at constant speed and linearly, its path is a vertical line that combines the point where the pebble falls and the tips of our fingers; because the pebble has a horizontal initial velocity value which is transferred from the train due to its mass. But since there is no measurable mass of light, there is no horizontal speed transmitted to the photon from the speed of the train or its source. For light kinematics, we have not an argument for applying the Galilei relativity principle to a moving body for inertial frame role; however, uniform motion of the source may solely simplify the analysis.4-
Two spaceships far out in space will most likely not find Einsteinian rules and regulations.
GG: Relativity is great up to a point. When we compare two moving platforms that are relatively slow moving, relativity works great. We run into problems when we look at the relative velocity of two photons moving in opposite directions. What is the speed?If we observe the photons from a higher light speed dimension the speed isS = C + C = 2C For your example the speed between the platform and the photon isS = C + V orS = C – VTwo particles traveling toward each other at 0.9C will have a relative velocity of 1.8C.Things will get complicated when the gravitational fields of the large groups of particles interact with each other. This will tend to force the closing speed to approach C. In any event in my opinion you are correct. Sometimes ordinary physics applies and sometimes Einstein’s relativity applies. The die heart Einsteinian people like to go far out in space and declare that relativity works. Yet we live on a slow moving planet and everything we observe is from this slow moving planet. Two spaceships far out in space will most likely not find Einsteinian rules and regulations.