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You sure like ignoring acceleration, don't you?
Why do you add the rotating speed of the Earth to the speed of the east aircraft?
I offered to overcome this problem: On the same line the aircrafts can go to opposite directions (we can see them on straight line for first 20 minute without rotating motion). If their flying speed are also the same, acceleration is not mentioned.
Light has not a measured mass
Quote from: xersanozgen on 07/04/2020 17:34:24Why do you add the rotating speed of the Earth to the speed of the east aircraft?1- Because that's how you will get the angular velocity.Quote from: xersanozgen on 07/04/2020 17:34:24I offered to overcome this problem: On the same line the aircrafts can go to opposite directions (we can see them on straight line for first 20 minute without rotating motion). If their flying speed are also the same, acceleration is not mentioned.2/3- And that's where your error is. Their velocities relative to the ground are the same, but their angular velocities are not the same. The plane traveling in the direction of Earth's rotation has a higher angular velocity than the plane traveling against the Earth's rotation. Due to the equivalence principle, an acceleration has the same effect as gravity. Gravity causes time dilation. Greater acceleration causes time dilation. The plane with the greater acceleration therefore experiences greater time dilation.Quote from: xersanozgen on 07/04/2020 17:34:24Light has not a measured mass4- They have a relativistic mass ala E=mc2.
1- In SR, train/aircraft etc. must travel on straight path.
2- In SR, If a Earth's clock is comparison/reference frame, you have not to add the Earth's speed to speed of train/aircraft etc. If you consider two trains; confusing will be over.
3- Their velocities relative to the ground are the same. I agree. And your figure's analysis get base relative to ground; ground/earth is used as an inertial frame. Please don't upset SR.
- A photon never get any additive speed from source's speed.
To suggest the GR as evidence for SR is interesting.
The experiments that supports SR are similar this fiction.
Your evidence figure looks like a tactic of misinformation: if you cannot convince, try confusing.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 09/04/2020 10:08:07To suggest the GR as evidence for SR is interesting.1- It isn't. You just need both to account for the Hafele-Keating experiment.Quote from: xersanozgen on 09/04/2020 10:08:07The experiments that supports SR are similar this fiction.2- So then what did the experiments do wrong? What specific step in the process is incorrect?Quote from: xersanozgen on 09/04/2020 10:08:07Your evidence figure looks like a tactic of misinformation: if you cannot convince, try confusing.3- Are you accusing me of lying now?
As known, SR has two postulates and one of them is wrong
We don't need to mention the elementary physics again.
3- NO, I said my opinion about the content of your figure or Hafele-Keating experiment like other tendential papers (e.g. muon lifetime).Please examine that link:https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/gsjournal/einsteiniana-the-hafele-keating-hoax-t4411.html
Oh, so you're accusing the experimenters of lying instead. That's not any better.
No, I have not a luxury like accusing of lying.
Hafele and Keating must have fabricated their results
Quote from: xersanozgen on 09/04/2020 21:41:27No, I have not a luxury like accusing of lying.Then why did you link to a post that stated this?QuoteHafele and Keating must have fabricated their resultsThe title of that thread even calls it a hoax.
There is no manipulation. Time lost and time gained are relative to the clock left back on Earth. This video explains it: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfqLgSV0iAAll three clocks in the experiment would experience time dilation relative to a clock floating in free space. However, one of the planes experiences more time dilation than the clock on the ground and the other experiences less time dilation than the clock on the ground. This is why one plane is recorded as gaining time and the other as losing time (because it's relative to the clock on the ground). This is consistent with what relativity predicts, not inconsistent with it.
When even the Earth rotates, the distance between relative clocks and reference clock increases with only the speed of aircraft, not Vearth +/- Vaircraft.
Let me try to think like you accompanied by empathy. If the reference clock is positioned as absolute constant in the outer space outside the world, we can consider the relative displacement of the hours as Vearth+/- Vaircraft [/sub.]But this is not the case in the experiment: the comparison clock rotates on Earth with the world. This explanation has technical significance .Therefore, for the kinematic effect, the speed difference between the clocks on the planes and the clock on the earth should be taken (that is Vaircraft) The kinematic effect cannot be explained by the special theory of relativity for this experiment.
You are not interpreting what is going on in the experiment correctly.The rotational speed of the earth 1000 mph. The planes speed 500 mph. Initially the planes and the earth are in the same reference frame. The plane that is going in the direction of the earth rotation accelerated to a new RF that is faster than the Earth's rotation, 1000 + 500 mph. The plane that is going in the opposite direction of the Earth's rotation decelerated to a RF that is slower than the Earth's rotation, 1000 - 500 mph.
When we analyze the movement of light without considering the types of relativity, we can find fantasy results. and that's exactly how it happened.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 12/04/2020 14:03:28When even the Earth rotates, the distance between relative clocks and reference clock increases with only the speed of aircraft, not Vearth +/- Vaircraft.Yes, but the acceleration of each clock is different.
looks like that in the first approach, right?
You say "Eastern aircraft travels around the world in 17 hours, and Western aircraft travels around the world in 51 hours".
The relationship of special relativity theory and humanity are the same: First approach. The complex structure of nature facts and events and human intellectual performance are not at the same level. When we analyze the movement of light without considering the types of relativity, we can find fantasy results. and that's exactly how it happened.