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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #140 on: 17/04/2020 17:42:06 »
There has been a lot of discussion on this topic about acceleration and gravity.
Last time I checked, SR didn't handle gravity; that's what GR is for.
So, is a large part of the discussion here irrelevant?
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #141 on: 19/04/2020 15:36:44 »
 I found a person who agreed with me.


Falsification of Einstein Theories of Relativity  Prof. Lutz Kayser

Abstract:The Einstein Postulates of Special Relativity (SR), namely the invariance of the speed of light c relative to the observer, the symmetry of relative velocities, and the Galilean Principle independent of velocity and gravitational potential are falsified. The replacement Law is: There exists an absolute universal velocity reference (Cosmic Velocity Reference, CVR). The velocity of light c is invariant and isotropic only relative to absolute universal space CVR.......

Link: https://vixra.org/abs/1503.0187
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #142 on: 19/04/2020 16:50:06 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 19/04/2020 15:36:44
Link: https://vixra.org/abs/1503.0187

Of course it's ViXra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViXra

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Physicist Gerard 't Hooft writes, "When a paper is published in viXra, it is usually a sign that it is not likely to contain acceptable results. It may, but the odds against that are considerable"
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #143 on: 20/04/2020 13:14:43 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 19/04/2020 16:50:06
Quote from: xersanozgen on 19/04/2020 15:36:44
Link: https://vixra.org/abs/1503.0187

Of course it's ViXra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViXra

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Physicist Gerard 't Hooft writes, "When a paper is published in viXra, it is usually a sign that it is not likely to contain acceptable results. It may, but the odds against that are considerable"



Scientific studies were previously published with peer-reviewed journals or books. The author needed a notary public record that the study was his own. Arxiv provided this need.

On the other hand, copyright restrictions of some refereed journals prevented these studies from being announced to the general public. This was a flaw for the information age.

My most important work (light kinematics to analyze space time) was published in a refereed journal. But I regret; I wish I would only posted on the Internet. Because,  still 1 / Ho based age account articles are produced;.although this study reveals the more effective age calculation for universe,

Of course, these internet resources (even forums) may not be suitable for amateur scientists who need referees. Those who are competent, who can use their own cognitive performance should read them.

So, you and other readers (forum followers) are a referee.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #144 on: 27/04/2020 12:42:57 »
I had focused on the flaws of the special theory of relativity (GR).  I reviewed  the general relativity theory*  because of presenting the GR as an evidence.

  I see the following:

1- Einstein emphasized that both are the same:
a) the wagon moves relative to the ground.
b) the floor moves according to the wagon.

(My note: This finding disrupts the twins paradox.)

2- If special relativity is correct, it should be also true for objects that do not move properly. (Some one said that if GR is right; SR is also right)

3- He concludes that the acceleration with gravity is identical / equivalent and concludes that light rays spread curvilinearly in the shooting areas. He says that this warp can be tried during solar eclipse.

4- It says that the clock on the edge of a rotating disc will run slower than the clock in the center and Lorentz transformations must be valid.

5- Thus, he says that the SR will gain generality.

I had indicated that light's path will be diagonal without accelerating (a = 0) in accordance with GR mentality (Please look at the figure). I agree the gravity bends the path of the light; but I know the acceleration is not effective for gravitational lens.

(*) http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5001
* ?????n bükülmesi.pdf (39.8 kB - downloaded 183 times.)
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #145 on: 27/04/2020 12:52:16 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 20/04/2020 13:14:43
The author needed a notary public record that the study was his own.
No.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #146 on: 27/04/2020 12:53:44 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 27/04/2020 12:42:57
(My note: This finding disrupts the twins paradox.)
No, it doesn't.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #147 on: 27/04/2020 12:56:45 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 20/04/2020 13:14:43
On the other hand, copyright restrictions of some refereed journals prevented these studies from being announced to the general public.
Printing in a journal- which you could get your local library to borrow for you was THE WAY IN WHICH STUDIES WERE ANNOUNCED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
It can not, therefor have been a way to prevent it.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #148 on: 27/04/2020 20:10:18 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 20/04/2020 13:14:43
I had indicated that light's path will be diagonal without accelerating (a = 0) in accordance with GR mentality (Please look at the figure).

That isn't correct. If an astronaut holds a flashlight on a spaceship, the beam will be straight regardless of whether the spaceship is standing still or moving at a constant speed. Conservation of momentum guarantees this. If an excited atom is moving upward at constant velocity, then emits a photon, then the photon must also have an upward component to its momentum in order to satisfy conservation of momentum. Relative to the observer that sees the atom moving upward, the photon will follow a diagonal path. Relative to the atom itself, the photon will appear to travel in a straight line (not diagonally).
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #149 on: 28/04/2020 15:41:10 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 27/04/2020 20:10:18
Quote from: xersanozgen on 20/04/2020 13:14:43
I had indicated that light's path will be diagonal without accelerating (a = 0) in accordance with GR mentality (Please look at the figure).

That isn't correct. If an astronaut holds a flashlight on a spaceship, the beam will be straight regardless of whether the spaceship is standing still or moving at a constant speed. Conservation of momentum guarantees this. If an excited atom is moving upward at constant velocity, then emits a photon, then the photon must also have an upward component to its momentum in order to satisfy conservation of momentum. Relative to the observer that sees the atom moving upward, the photon will follow a diagonal path. Relative to the atom itself, the photon will appear to travel in a straight line (not diagonally).


Einstein say that:"For example, we learn that a body which is in a state of uniform rectilinear motion with respect to K (in accordance with the law of Galilei) is executing an accelerated and in general curvilinear motion with respect to the accelerated reference-body K′ (chest). This acceleration or curvature corresponds to the influence on the moving body of the gravitational field prevailing relatively to K." (section 22 paragraf 2  http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5001 )


 
Attention please; you have found Eintein's a flaw.



Also, I had said according to GR mentality. Because Einstein connects the points where the source and the photon are located  at the moment T2.  And he says, if the cabinet has an acceleration the light's path will be curved. With the same mentality, if acceleration is not mentioned, light's path will be diagonal.


Note: In order to avoid confusion, it should be considered that the orientation is given to the light with a perforated plate filter.

However, according to the LCS method, the correct light path  is the S'P1 horizontal line (both status with and without acceleration).

Please look at the new figure. The test photon is on the point S' for the T1 moment. It goes horizontal and arrives the point P1 at the moment T2. Is this transparent sufficiently?

* GR light's path.pdf (48 kB - downloaded 187 times.)
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #150 on: 28/04/2020 16:33:29 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 28/04/2020 15:41:10
With the same mentality, if acceleration is not mentioned, light's path will be diagonal.

No it won't, for the reason I stated.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #151 on: 28/04/2020 21:36:25 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 28/04/2020 15:41:10
Attention please; you have found Eintein's a flaw.
Your misunderstanding is not a flaw in General Relativity.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #152 on: 29/04/2020 09:48:36 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/04/2020 16:33:29
Quote from: xersanozgen on 28/04/2020 15:41:10
With the same mentality, if acceleration is not mentioned, light's path will be diagonal.

No it won't, for the reason I stated.
What would it take to make light's path diagonal?
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #153 on: 29/04/2020 16:37:18 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/04/2020 09:48:36
What would it take to make light's path diagonal?

Point the light source in that direction.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #154 on: 29/04/2020 16:41:48 »
Of course, It is difficult to think  a technical analysis in four dimensions. Even Einstein was not skilled for this.

So I prepared sequential movie frames. In this figure, while the photons is emitted every consecutive atto second in the elevator car, the elevator cabinet goes up a little for every atto second.

As can be seen, the P1 photon moves completely horizontally. This is a natural truth.

In the case of fixed elevator speed, the trace formed by the photons P1,P2, P3, P4,P 5... is the diagonal (curve in acceleration) line.

When we remember that the experimental photon is unique, to consider the sequential photons' trace is a result of our poor cognitive ability. 

LCS (Light coordinate system) method determines that a photon always goes on a straight line. Gravity can bend this path. The accelerating of an object is not effective. Because The mentality of GR works at the case of fixed speeds (diagonal path). Look at the figure (attach) this figure clearly tells the event. Followers please register to see this figure.
* A photon always goes linear.pdf (19.14 kB - downloaded 214 times.)
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #155 on: 29/04/2020 16:47:59 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/04/2020 16:41:48
Because The mentality of GR works at the case of fixed speeds (diagonal path).

Please stop repeating this incorrect statement.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #156 on: 29/04/2020 18:35:34 »
If you ask with google, you may find many text about flaws of SR.

Currently / anymore, it is significant who can analyze and explaine  the weakest point of special relativity. There is a contest about this.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #157 on: 29/04/2020 19:34:58 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/04/2020 16:41:48
Gravity can bend this path. The accelerating of an object is not effective. Because The mentality of GR works at the case of fixed speeds (diagonal path). Look at the figure (attach) this figure clearly tells the event.
The figure you drew was in perfect agreement with GR because the light source is in a different reference frame.  According to GR a person in a rocket flying away from earth at a constant .5c who shined a laser perpendicular to the direction of travel would see the laser light in a straight line.  It would look the same as someone with 0 velocity.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #158 on: 29/04/2020 20:33:12 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/04/2020 18:35:34
If you ask with google, you may find many text about flaws of SR.

I can find many texts about the benefits of homeopathy on Google, too.
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Re: Weakest point of special relativity
« Reply #159 on: 30/04/2020 14:24:09 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 29/04/2020 16:47:59
Quote from: xersanozgen on 29/04/2020 16:41:48
Because The mentality of GR works at the case of fixed speeds (diagonal path).

Please stop repeating this incorrect statement.

I share new explanation for question. Please stop/leave similar warnings.  :)
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