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Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?

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Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« on: 29/02/2020 13:35:32 »
This is an experiment I learned about in grade school back in the 1960's. I shall describe the experiment, then the extended version which I believe is direct evidence of how the mind and brain function to some degree. It should not be attempted if you have light sensitivity.

We placed a sheet of typing paper on our desk. Then we stared at a light bulb from several feet away for about thirty seconds so as to over charge a portion of the photon receptors in our eyes. Then we were instructed to look at the sheet of paper on our desk and in a few seconds or so we noticed that there was a dark or shady spot on the blank paper which was not there before.

Our instructor explained that the paper was reflecting photons same as before so the sheet of paper should appear all white without any spot. The reason why we saw the spot was because a portion of our photon receptors were over charged and that meant that these receptors could not absorb the photons reflecting from the paper as quickly as the other receptors and so we observed the deficit or spot. That ended the experiment.

The way that I prefer to run this experiment is from a totally dark room. Over charge your receptors, turn off the light and in a few seconds the spot will be visible not as a spot but as a light suspended out in front of you. Now we need to extend the time that the experiment runs. Sit quietly and observe the spot. It will eventually fade, maybe reappear so do not end the experiment just because the spot of light goes away the first time. Continue to observe and watch for any movement of the spot. It may begin to wobble. It may begin to circle, it may appear to be going down a drain or it may take off and move to the very edge of your vision field. This can be done with the spot on the paper but it is harder to observe.

The overcharged receptors in your eyes should not moving around or circling or taking off and migrating to the edge of the eye so what you are observing is not happening in your eyes but in your brain. The theory is that what you are observing is the energy from the over charge going down an energy drain or velocity gradient in the lowest portion of the brain's energy field.

The theory being that data or energy impulses run through the brain into super fluid drains and then via entanglement properties the cells in the primary visual center know to activate. The data runs into the drains where it is transformed into information via Fourier transform and then the information is distributed to the cells necessary for replication.

When you are watching that light go round and down you are seeing a replication of activity taking place in the super fluid drains. So if that is how the brain handles data with our eyes closed that is how the brain handles data when our eyes are open. It all goes into the drains first and then the brain above is activated to replicate in the physical.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #1 on: 29/02/2020 14:53:49 »
Quote from: self on 29/02/2020 13:35:32
The theory being that data or energy impulses run through the brain into super fluid drains and then via entanglement properties the cells in the primary visual center know to activate.
That is not a theory.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #2 on: 29/02/2020 18:19:50 »
I could use some more construction to your determination, please.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #3 on: 12/08/2020 09:04:53 »
Hi Self,

I do not agree with the following sentence
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The data runs into the drains where it is transformed into information via Fourier transform and then the information is distributed to the cells necessary for replication.

Why would the brain have to do a Fourier Transform its a super neural network! They tend to do things differently.
FFT its just a methematical tool created by us to decompose waves into sinusoidal frequencies... 
But it is a nice experiment.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #4 on: 13/08/2020 16:55:18 »
Hi h2o. The brain does not produce the Fourier transform, the drains do. The drains are below the biological activity of the brain.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.

The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain. These drains function as velocity gradients and shed quanta by accelerating them until they break free, like the old fashion game of crack the whip. The gradients are polar positive at the bottom and polar negative at the top. That allows the solutions from the Fourier transform to become trapped in a photon trap located at the bottom of the gradient which has a tornado shape.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #5 on: 14/08/2020 18:08:03 »
Quote from: self on 13/08/2020 16:55:18
Hi h2o. The brain does not produce the Fourier transform, the drains do. The drains are below the biological activity of the brain.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.

The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain. These drains function as velocity gradients and shed quanta by accelerating them until they break free, like the old fashion game of crack the whip. The gradients are polar positive at the bottom and polar negative at the top. That allows the solutions from the Fourier transform to become trapped in a photon trap located at the bottom of the gradient which has a tornado shape.
Word salad.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #6 on: 15/08/2020 19:25:48 »
Hi Bored Chemist.  I understood every word. Of course this is obviously not your field of expertise. This pertains to quantum field theory not chemistry.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #7 on: 15/08/2020 20:07:46 »
Quote from: self on 15/08/2020 19:25:48
Hi Bored Chemist.  I understood every word. Of course this is obviously not your field of expertise. This pertains to quantum field theory not chemistry.
These days, QFT is part of chemistry.

Quote from: self on 13/08/2020 16:55:18
.The drains are called caged electrons. They are located in the Dimer cavity in micro tubules in our neurons.
Caged electrons are also part of chemistry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvated_electron
And so are dimers
However, they are not part of QFT.
Next time, to avoid looking a fool, try not lying.

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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #8 on: 15/08/2020 20:43:58 »
Why invoke superfluids or quantum entanglement? Is there any evidence for either of these phenomena in the brain?
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #9 on: 16/08/2020 18:30:51 »
Hello Kryptid. These quantum fields lie outside the brain. They are drains. They have an energy level below the energy level of the Dimer molecules from which they draw their substance.

They form as tornado shaped super fluids because the Dimer molecules have opposing electron cloud flows which creates a magnetic spin in the Dimer cavity.

There is evidence of super fluidity in that these caged electrons are know to super radiate. Quantum entanglement runs hand in hand with identical super fluids so I see no reason to deny entanglement, especially since how diverse brain parts communicate is otherwise unknown. Per this theory the communication is entangled but the activation of the neuron is not. In other words the cells can switch on as fast as the super fluid but then they still have to deal with true replication.

Hi Bored Chemist. Please hold your insults until you run out of questions. The quantum fields or caged electrons are post molecular bonding. The quantum inflow from the senses is into one molecule, which therefore never runs out of bonding material and the second molecule or the one which receives the bonding flow wants nothing to do with it, being full of itself already.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #10 on: 16/08/2020 18:37:29 »
Quote from: self on 16/08/2020 18:30:51
Please hold your insults until you run out of questions.
I haven't insulted you ; that was what you did.
However, That rather misses the point.
It's not a matter of me running out of questions.
It's a matter of you coming up with meaningful answers to them.
So far, your success rate is zero.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #11 on: 16/08/2020 23:51:56 »
Hi Bored Chemist. I am not expecting anything meaningful from you. I only mention the chemistry so as to locate the Quantum field which the theory pertains too. The Dimer molecules feed the quantum field and the quantum field expels the quanta via a velocity gradient shaped like a tornado. At the top of the drain the quanta point their polar negative end inward and at the bottom of the tornado they point their polar positive end inward. A kink in the tail of the tornado is responsible for this end to end switch which forms a photon trap for the Fourier transformed photons.

These caged electrons are really Hilbert spaces.

These quantum fields also sort data into hold or discard. Perhaps someone else can ask a meaningful question about how that works.
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« Reply #12 on: 17/08/2020 08:49:44 »
Quote from: self on 16/08/2020 23:51:56
Hi Bored Chemist. I am not expecting anything meaningful from you.
That goes both ways.
So far you haven't said anything with any real meaning.
You are sust stringing "sciencey" words together.
I doubt that you are fooling anyone.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #13 on: 17/08/2020 12:44:46 »
Musicians have a phrase "playing for his own amazement", usually applied to badly copied and irrelevant jazz phrases .

I'm only a medical physicist who has studied visual persistence and saturation, night vision, visual image misregistration, brain imaging, magnetoencephalography, neural transmission, organic chemistry, fourier transforms, vortices, radio navigation, spiritualism, Chinese cooking, and all that other dull, outdated stuff, but I can safely say that the magic words "energy field" signify bullshit, every time.

I must admit that adding superfluidity to the mix is at least original, but it doesn't cover the stink of amateurism.

Cynical old curmudgeon? Moi?
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #14 on: 17/08/2020 13:12:21 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/08/2020 12:44:46
..... I can safely say that the magic words "energy field" signify bullshit, every time.
Agreed. The first resort of those who do not understand energy.


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Cynical old curmudgeon? Moi?
What can I say  :)
A good dose of cynicism never hurts.
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« Reply #15 on: 17/08/2020 14:02:01 »
Quote from: self on 16/08/2020 23:51:56
. A kink in the tail of the tornado is responsible for this end to end switch

Reminds me of this
"Talk the simple smile, such platonic eye
How they drown in incomplete capacity
Strangest of them all, when the feeling calls
How we drown in stylistic audacity
Charge the common ground
Round and round and round, we living in gravity
Shake - We shake so hard, how we laugh so loud
When we reach, we believe in eternity"

And when you can't distinguish a text  from the lyrics of a Yes song, the text is not science.

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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #16 on: 17/08/2020 14:50:32 »
Quote from: self on 13/08/2020 16:55:18
The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain.
This requires a largely empty skull, surely? 
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« Reply #17 on: 17/08/2020 15:41:57 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/08/2020 14:50:32
Quote from: self on 13/08/2020 16:55:18
The drains are inside our skull but outside the brain.
This requires a largely empty skull, surely? 
Believing it certainly does.
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Re: Does this experiment tell us something about our brain and consciousness?
« Reply #18 on: 17/08/2020 17:01:20 »
Hello concerned citizens. I can say it differently so that perhaps you may understand how the cellular drains are inside the skull but outside the brain.

By outside I mean at a lower ground state than the biological activity is engaged in. The brain by way of the Dimer molecules is all done with the quantum which form into the caged electron. The caged electron has no proton in the system. A linear wave goes into the cavity on the path of pi or the path of decay. That is why the caged electrons have a lower ground state, because the field is partially decayed as compared to the ground state of a normal electron at so called rest.

It may have been better if I had said the cage electron is beneath the brain but still inside the skull. I hope this helps clarify. It seems strange to me that a lower ground state than any other known electron would not get more attention as a unique electromagnetic field but then few study the caged electron and even fewer in regards to consciousness.
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« Reply #19 on: 17/08/2020 17:35:03 »
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Hello concerned citizens. I can say it differently so that perhaps you may understand how the cellular drains are inside the skull but outside the brain.

By outside I mean at a lower ground state than the biological activity is engaged in. The brain by way of the Dimer molecules is all done with the quantum which form into the caged electron. The caged electron has no proton in the system. A linear wave goes into the cavity on the path of pi or the path of decay. That is why the caged electrons have a lower ground state, because the field is partially decayed as compared to the ground state of a normal electron at so called rest.

It may have been better if I had said the cage electron is beneath the brain but still inside the skull. I hope this helps clarify. It seems strange to me that a lower ground state than any other known electron would not get more attention as a unique electromagnetic field but then few study the caged electron and even fewer in regards to consciousness.
Now go through that and look at all the phrases like "cellular drains" and explain, in clear language, what they mean and what the actual evidence is for their existence.

Take your time.
We will wait.

But don't bother to post any more until you have done it. You would be wasting everyone's time.
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