[alancalverd]

over the 7 days they are not increasing any more. Trump done good.

Over the last 7 days, Trump done nothing*. If anything, by staying at home and sulking instead of appearing at Nuremberg re-runs since the absurd Four Seasons Show, he has probably reduced the infection rate among his knuckledraggers.somewhat.

He was absolutely correct in saying that more tests lead to more confirmed cases. Folk began their annual Thanksgiving migration on 22 November and maximum crossinfection began on the 26th, so watch the graph next week when they start turning up at test centers with symptoms. 

*apart, that is, from infecting most of his immediate staff.

[alancalverd]

issue the vaccine immediately please.

Which vaccine? None has yet been made in much more than laboratory quantities. Not that it will affect you as you have volunteered our age cohort to Die for  the President.

5% of the worlds population would die of Covid 19

is absolutely true if it is allowed to spread unchecked and infect everybody. The earliest studies from Wuhan  suggested 4 - 6% fatality.

Let's look at published UK data. If we suppose the average time from diagnosis to death is about 20 days, then we can compare 60,000 excess mortality to 13 November (the latest PHE data) with the cumulative total 831,000 of infections to 23 October, which gives us 7.2% fatality.  If you restrict yourself to the 58,000 deaths actually listed as COVID, it comes down to 7%, still within a reasonable error band of the Wuhan/WHO prediction but now with many more properly diagnosed and accounted cases.

By your logic, since hardly anyone dies from gunshot wounds in the UK, everyone should run about  shooting at each other (to maintain the gun trade, of course. Birmingham is a world centre for fine weapons.) and the idea that guns are dangerous is a lie.

[Bored chemist]

vaccine immediately please.

It will only be possible to produce test and distribute a vaccine efficiently because of the coordination by the WHO.
Trump cut their funding.


Trump is slowing down the development of a vaccine.

[alancalverd]

How did money become a priority over people?

You some kinda goddam atheist commie traitor? Jesus wants you to support the banks at all times. God Help America.

[acsinuk]

I repeat my fifth post on this topic posted last March which is still valid......
Who is to blame for panicking the politicians into taking such over to top measures as an economic lockdown which is causing huge hardship to the poor and exploding unemployment; which will lead to rampant inflation while it lasts.
Enough is enough, overreacting to Health and Safety caution has landed us in a total mess.  Let God decide who is to live and who is to die and not statisticians, medical opinions, scare mongering about insufficient  ventilators or other human risks.
You are alive now but at risk of dying at any time; so it is up to you to be responsible for keeping yourself safe and those around you.  This means keeping yourself normally at least a meter or 2 from other people where possible when you go out to work or shopping. This is in fact good advise whether there is a virus around or not in my opinion.

[alancalverd]

It was underreaction that caused the problem. Those governments that imposed immediate internal quarantine and rigid entry requirements have been able to recover to a semblance of normality very quickly. The disease is now endemic in the UK and will take at least another year of faffing about before the politicians admit defeat with 10 - 20% of the population infected.

The only cause of panic among politicians is whether they will ever get directorships in banking and venture capital now that they have buggered the economy instead of each other.

I'm quite happy for God to decide who is to die, as long as He begins his selection among His own salesmen. And thank you for giving up your right to treatment.

[alancalverd]

Here's an idea. Yes, let's take personal responsibility. Money where your mouth is.

Let anyone who is in favor of reducing restrictions from a given date, commit  to personally contributing to a fund sufficient to pay £50,000 compensation to the estate of anyone who dies from COVID more than 20 days after that date. Civilians expressing such ideas must back them with one share. Politicians and anyone appearing on television to advocate early reduction must take 10 shares for a debate, and MPs must take an additional 20 shares for a vote.   

If the economic benefits outweigh the disadvantages, it's a small price to pay for getting what you want, and everyone will be grateful.

[Bored chemist]

Let God decide who is to live and who is to die

Either He will or He won't, depending on whether He exists or not.

Who is to blame for panicking the politicians into taking such over to top measures as an economic lockdown which is causing huge hardship to the poor and exploding unemployment;

You already lied about the WHO.
Why would we take your view on it seriously?

Enough is enough, overreacting to Health and Safety caution has landed us in a total mess. 

New Zealand reacted even more strongly, and they are not in the mess.
So it is perfectly clear from the actual evidence that we did not "overreact".
Boris did too little too late.

You are alive now but at risk of dying at any time; so it is up to you to be responsible for keeping yourself safe and those around you.

YEs.
That's what lockdown is about.
You seem to be the sort of person who doesn't understand why we have laws about seat belts.
Too many people were not good at taking responsibility.
Often they claimed that some deity was responsible- which is a grown up way of saying "someone else did it but they have run away".

[Petrochemicals]

Here's an idea. Yes, let's take personal responsibility. Money where your mouth is.

Let anyone who is in favor of reducing restrictions from a given date, commit  to personally contributing to a fund sufficient to pay £50,000 compensation to the estate of anyone who dies from COVID more than 20 days after that date. Civilians expressing such ideas must back them with one share. Politicians and anyone appearing on television to advocate early reduction must take 10 shares for a debate, and MPs must take an additional 20 shares for a vote.   

If the economic benefits outweigh the disadvantages, it's a small price to pay for getting what you want, and everyone will be grateful.

issue the vaccine immediately please.

Which vaccine? None has yet been made in much more than laboratory quantities. Not that it will affect you as you have volunteered our age cohort to Die for  the President.

Let's look at published UK data. If we suppose the average time from diagnosis to death is about 20 days, then we can compare 60,000 excess mortality to 13 November (the latest PHE data) with the cumulative total 831,000 of infections to 23 October, which gives us 7.2% fatality.  If you restrict yourself to the 58,000 deaths actually listed as COVID, it comes down to 7%, still within a reasonable error band of the Wuhan/WHO prediction but now with many more properly diagnosed and accounted cases.

So far Alan I have personally heard of 1 person pass with corona, versus 2 heart problems, one of which was around 50, both who found going to the doctors limited by lockdown, plus I personally know of one other who was not given cancer treatment and is now not well. I do not know of mental health impact, it is unlikely to show quite this early, plus with the economic impat it may take years to show full impact on the populace

.Let anyone who is in favor of reducing restrictions from a given date, commit  to personally contributing to a fund sufficient to pay £50,000 compensation to the estate of anyone who dies from COVID more than 20 days after that date.

By your logic you owe £ 100,000.

[Bored chemist]

So far Alan I have personally heard of 1 person pass with corona,

Covid isn't finished yet, is it?

By your logic you owe £ 100,000.

... You might want to expand on that idea a bit.

[alancalverd]

By your logic you owe £ 100,000.

To whom, and why? I have been asking for full national quarantine since the first case arrived in the UK in January. That would  have limited the COVID death toll to about 6 if it had been implemented immediately. We are now certain to exceed 60,000 by the end of this week.

I have just noticed a real oddity in the UK "cumulative deaths" graph. Between 9 and 12 August, 5,200 people were resurrected from the grave! Halleluja! Or is someone fiddling the stats?

[Petrochemicals]

By your logic you owe £ 100,000.

To whom, and why? I have been asking for full national quarantine since the first case arrived in the UK in January. That would  have limited the COVID death toll to about 6 if it had been implemented immediately. We are now certain to exceed 60,000 by the end of this week.

I have just noticed a real oddity in the UK "cumulative deaths" graph. Between 9 and 12 August, 5,200 people were resurrected from the grave! Halleluja! Or is someone fiddling the stats?

Due to the full lockdowns being mandatory (Britain France Italy etc) and Sweden. It is working in Sweden Alan. Your plan to ban death is not working. Corona fatigue, mental health, poor economic prospects, lack of treatment for other diseases is all adding up, Sweden will not suffer as much.

[alancalverd]

None of the countries you mention has had a full lockdown and proper quarantine on travellers. In the UK you can avoid opticians' fees by driving to Barnard Castle, and at the beginning of the first wave some 200,000 people were encouraged to visit the Cheltenham Festival.

Sweden now has 2.4% of the population infected, same as the UK.  New Zealand, 0.04%. Australia 0.1%. Check facts before offering opinions.

All the stuff that is "adding up" is doing so because Boris and his fans have not taken the problem seriously. I'm suggesting a means by which they might be encouraged to spend their money rather than mine on a "solution" of their own devising.

[Bored chemist]

Your plan to ban death is not working.

How could you know?
Nobody implemented it.
The places that did something similar to what Alan is suggesting- China NZ etc, have largely eliminated the virus and are almost back to "normal".

On the other hand we had a dithering idiot "making decisions".
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/video-matt-lucas-mocks-boris-johnson-coronavirus-speech-a4436796.html

[Petrochemicals]

Sweden now has 2.4% of the population infected, same as the UK.  New Zealand, 0.04%. Australia 0.1%. Check facts before offering opinions.

Countries with a far better track and trace, health care provision and social control still can't seem to nail it. Please chek fac befouw opinyn.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

[alancalverd]

China recorded about 80,000 cases (0.0055%) in March. By the end of November the total had risen to 86500 - 0.0059%. That suggests very effective control is possible. The infection rate in Japan is  about one twentieth that of the UK, around 0.11%, suggesting that even in a dense population with considerable freedom of movement (the seasonal trend is very similar to the UK) you can control the spread of the virus.

But you have to do it, not piss about scoring political points between England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic, Great Britain, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, all with separate and partially overlapping administrations but a common language and culture, for chrissake. These islands are only accessible via a limited number of very sophisticated air and sea ports, have (or at least had until recently) the most modern public health laboratories anywhere, and unlike the USA a history of fairly effective policing by consent, so there is no excuse for importing the disease, and as the Far Eastern countries have shown, a short, strict quarantine works so there is no excuse for allowing it to spread.

[Petrochemicals]

China recorded about 80,000 cases (0.0055%) in March. By the end of November the total had risen to 86500 - 0.0059%. That suggests very effective control is possible. The infection rate in Japan is  about one twentieth that of the UK, around 0.11%, suggesting that even in a dense population with considerable freedom of movement (the seasonal trend is very similar to the UK) you can control the spread of the virus.

But  Awan, dthu poynmt is dat auswawia ha acheve wha souf kowea cudnt? You sem tu no answer. Perhaps there is a more obvious explanation. Maybe Hitler?

[alancalverd]

Alfa charlie to station calling. English, please. Over.

[alancalverd]

If any numerate persons are interested, South Korea now has 0.07% of the population infected, same order as Australia and New Zealand, and one hundredth of the UK death toll among a population of similar size and density to ours.

In view of this data, the UK government response must be seen as not merely shameful and incompetent but criminally negligent or intentionally harmful. The failure of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser to contradict Cummings' Puppet on numerous live television events suggests complicity to the point of malfeasance. 

[Petrochemicals]

If any numerate persons are interested, South Korea now has 0.07% of the population infected, same order as Australia and New Zealand, and one hundredth of the UK death toll among a population of similar size and density to ours.

In view of this data, the UK government response must be seen as not merely shameful and incompetent but criminally negligent or intentionally harmful. The failure of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser to contradict Cummings' Puppet on numerous live television events suggests complicity to the point of malfeasance. 

can't seem to nail it.