[sim (OP)]

Magister colin leslie dean shows
Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless as he cant tell us what dead is what alive is

dean shows Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless as he cant tell us what dead is what alive is
Now as dean points out, if some bright spark wants to tell us what according to them, not Schrodinger, dead is what alive is

then

in the process tell us your religion your culture your philosophy your spirituality your science behind what dead is what alive is

and if you go to science for your definition of life

bear in mind we are told by science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"Biology is the science concerned with the study of life."

but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

"There is currently no consensus regarding the definition of life"

so basically

without science knowing what life is

then dead and alive have no meaning ....


Aside dont you think it strange that after say 85 years none of the worlds greatest geniuses have bothered to ask what Schrodinger means by dead means by alive or do  the geniuses ask does dead mean? what does alive mean? -this is the power of consensus trance

consensus trance

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Consensus_trance

this meaninglessness of Schrodinger's thought experiment is one proof of the view that all products of human thought end in meaninglessness ie mathematics and science

thus

Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless
Without telling us what being without life is ie dead or what having life is ie alive
Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is meaningless

[Kryptid]

Mr. Dean, you are completely missing the point of the thought experiment. It isn't about the difference between life and death. It's about how objects in superposition can be in two very different states at the same time.

[hamdani yusuf]

You can replace the cat with an irreversible chemical reaction.

[puppypower]

The Schrödinger's cat thought experiment tells us something about the nature of science history, as science moved away from the age of reason into the ager of statistical analysis; science casino, where anyone could gamble.

Say the cat was in the box. One experimenter has access to a little camera that he placed in the box before the cat was placed there. The other experimenter has to no access to this camera. The first experimenter always knows the state of the cat, since he can see him in real time; age of reason. The secondary experimenter has to assume two opposite things are possible. If we assume that two opposite things can both be true, than the next step is to place odds. As history would show the first experimenter would no longer be allowed to play at the science casinos of the future, since he would be accused of counting cards.

This thought experiment had to do with a change in science, away from the age of reason. Schrödinger coined this scenario in 1935. This was about the time when Germany was getting restless, and the nuclear race was just beginning to warm up. Science was under a lot of pressure to put its money where its mouth was to the build the weapons of the future. Military types do not take excuses too well, especially in Germany. Uncertainty bought time. Statistical models do not require you rationally understand all aspects of something. It is black box procedural where anything has odds. One does not have to narrow down using reason. You assume the cat is alive and/or dead and then the bookies set the odds. It reduced the development stress.

Einstein fought this transition in science. He did not believe God played dice with the universe in science casinos. But this change in science had taken root. It was easier and allowed more people to participate in science for the needs of industry; mass production and assemble line science.
 

[Colin2B]

We'll never know what this 'dean' actually said because the link is to a post made by the OP'er himself, and is just to a page of incoherent rambling random assertions.  Essentially the argument is: I post meaninglessness <link>, therefore [some random example I don't understand] is meaningless. Stir in a name to add a flavor of argument from authority, but don't actually mention how the named person supposedly reasons.

Dean appears to be famous for these ramblings
https://www.scribd.com/document/81386004/Rebuttal-of-Colin-Leslie-Dean-s-Critique-of-Kurt-Godel

[puppypower]

Think of the though experiment of Schrödinger's cat, logically. If you can watch the cat, because your vision is not obstructed by the box, you always know the state of the cat. On the other hand, if  your vision is obstructed, then even imaginary options become possible. All things being possible or all things have odds, when your vision is not clear.

The age of reason allowed one to know what to expect based on logical and mathematical inference and deductions. But times were about to change, as reason became more confused with abstractions. Much of this was due to the stress of war.

The Schrödinger's cat thought experiment was coined in 1935.

On March 16, 1935, Adolf Hitler announced that he would rearm Germany in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler revealed that Germany had begun to construct an air force, and unveiled plans to reinstitute conscription and create a German army of more than half a million men.

The drums of war were being anticipated.

Picture if the physics of today had to create controlled fusion reactors to meets the needs of an impending war machine. Controlled fusion has been a goal since the 1940's, and it still has not been successful. But say the paranoid military brass came in, they had unprecedented resources, and they needed controlled fusion, yesterday. Obviously the slow boat ways of academia, PC politics, and compliance will not work, since these have not worked in 80 years You cannot say no,  or your credibility is shot. Military does not deal in pretense.

You will need bold new ideas and the ability to bypass the current system, to test things, quickly, You may even need to invent  a new approach, that was not allowed before. The physicists of 1935 had to embrace a new type of black box procedure and approach to achieve the practical results needed.  One would not know if the results were successful until the box was open. Resources were plentiful and anything could be tested.

The fate of the world was at stake, since all the key player in international physics knew what the atomic theory suggested,  in terms of a new type of weapon. The "bomb" had never been made before. New ideas and approaches were either dead or alive, and one would not know, until you tested; opened the box. The labs were all over the world.

Unfortunately, the expedited war time uncertainty and approximation methods did not end. What would end was the age of reason and the Golden age of science. Most of the main physics theory of today was done by the 1920's. After the war, technology and data generation would lead reason, with computers speeding up the new and improved approximation methods.

For example, as the latest telescopes get online, new phenomena appear before reason infers them. Politics decides who will get the new telescope and whoever gets it, can appear like a genius and a visionary because of the technology. The golden age did not work that way. Reason used to lead. Einstein did not like the change, but politics won the day.