[duffyd]

Why have you threatened me repeatedly,

Nobody here is in a position to harm you.
So any threat is imaginary.
I already told you that. Why do you repeat things after you have been told they are wrong.

You threatened to report me to the mods

[duffyd]

You have threatened and stalked me since I got here.

In the real world, it is impossible for me to threaten you
I don't even know who or where you are. There is absolutely nothing I can do to harm you.

I'm not stalking anyone.
I'm replying to posts on a forum.
You can not sensibly put words in front of my eyes and then complain when I read them.

That was simple but you refused to do it until now.

That's clearly not true.- the original post is date / time stamped "02/04/2020 20:53:22"
Why do you say things that are not true?

Pure Power Play.

No, purely a figment of your imagination.

When you and Alan agree on something you take action. Remember? You have stalked me since I first commented here and didn't let up until I told you to back off and even then you kept stalking me. What? Am I making this up? I'm not the only one who complains. Your trademark is baiting others to converse with you. I don't like you,  Go away. Stay away. I have asked you repeatedly and you not only ignore my requests, you plow ahead full speed. GO AWAY. I want nothing to do with you. Respect each other. Respect my desire not to have anything to do with you.

.

[duffyd]

Evidence that God is, is the hatred atheists have for him. They always claim you can't hate what doesn't exist. They hate him, cleanly, obviously, documented over and over, proving He is real.

[Bored chemist]

They hate him, cleanly, obviously, documented over and over.

No.
There is no documentation of any hatred.
If you think there is, post it.

[Bored chemist]

You have stalked me since I first commented here and didn't let up until I told you to back off and even then you kept stalking me.

I have never stalked anyon.
You post stuff in a public discussion forum.
I comment on it.

Your lack of rationality shows up again when you say " didn't let up until I told you to back off and even then you kept stalking me"
Well, which is it?
Did I back up, or did I carry on?

The fact remains that I did neither.

Am I making this up?

Yes.
That's why your assertions contradict themselves.

I don't like you,  Go away. Stay away. I have asked you repeatedly and you not only ignore my requests, you plow ahead full speed. GO AWAY. I want nothing to do with you. Respect each other. Respect my desire not to have anything to do with you.

You came here.
It would have been simple for you to look at the title of the website and recognise that, with your anti-science view, you were not going to fit in.
But you joined anyway, and in doing so agreed to follow the rules which require you not to preach.
Then you started preaching.

Who, exactly, is responsible for your current discomfort?

[Bored chemist]

Why have you threatened me repeatedly,

Nobody here is in a position to harm you.
So any threat is imaginary.
I already told you that. Why do you repeat things after you have been told they are wrong.

You threatened to report me to the mods

I pointed out that you might attract the wrath of the mods.
I can't influence them.
They are not stupid or blind.If you break the rules they are likely to notice- they may or may not choose to act.
There's really not a lot I can do to influence their decision.
As such, it's not a "threat", is it?

They would only take action if you had, in fact, broken the rules.
Are you saying that you have done so?
If not then what's the threat?

[duffyd]

Why have you threatened me repeatedly,

Nobody here is in a position to harm you.
So any threat is imaginary.
I already told you that. Why do you repeat things after you have been told they are wrong.

You threatened to report me to the mods

I pointed out that you might attract the wrath of the mods.
I can't influence them.
They are not stupid or blind.If you break the rules they are likely to notice- they may or may not choose to act.
There's really not a lot I can do to influence their decision.
As such, it's not a "threat", is it?

They would only take action if you had, in fact, broken the rules.
Are you saying that you have done so?
If not then what's the threat?

Say "Hi" to Hinkley.

[Bored chemist]

Say "Hi" to Hinkley.

The Leicester town, or the power station?

Did you consider posting something that made sense, or are you just trolling.

[duffyd]

Say "Hi" to Hinkley.

The Leicester town, or the power station?

Did you consider posting something that made sense, or are you just trolling.

That's alright. I know. Apology accepted. You'll be fine. Take a deep breath. You're in good hands. That's right. You can do it. No, don't give up. Things will get better. You'll see. Ok. Bye-bye. Take care. Take care. Sure. Ok. Will do. Nice knowing you.

[alancalverd]

The third quarter of american football is often the most decisive

Because the audience will all be asleep by the fourth.

[Jolly2]

yet the scientific truth and religious truth

religion has truth?

Ofcourse, as does philosophy, or meta physics. Each truth has a system of logic that supports it.

Really do not want to get stuck as Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson did.

Inherently your question takes a stance.

2 pages effectively that discuss the creation of the world

2 pages that are are not entirely accurate

how we should live? how should we treat others? What is the nature of evil or sin?

well, i guess so. but if we based our moral choices on what is written in the bible well we would be acting as though they did in the spanish inquisition. id rather live my life actually by moral code rather than the moral(immoral) code of the bible

A total assumption. And an inaccurate one. The spainish inquisition were a tool of power seeking to impose its will over the rest. If anything the bible teaches the opposite.

"What is the the true fast? To break the chains and set the downtrodden free" Isaiah

The bible is concerned with human interaction, peace, justice, life.

While science can say how things are it will never tell you how to live save some dietary suggestions.

as above

Is nothing related

Again meaningless in this regard

well, i guess if one just uses the bible as a kind of moral storybook like the boy that cried wolf or 3 little pigs, then yes this is meaningless.
but so many people try to claim that the bible is so much more. some even make the claim that its accurate in some kind of real life sense.

Jordan Peterson does actually claim that the teaching of the bible about how a person should live match rather well to the psychological data on the same question.

Not at all, I highly recommend you listen to some of the lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories given by Jorden Peterson

pretty much as above

A non statement again. I don't see why you bother writing this it's pointless.

Again this a highly simplistic view of religion and faith.

care to enlighten on a more realistic view then?

And never will it because as I suggested before that is not what the bible is interested in.

true there are many parts that are stories of past events. there are historical things throughout it. and from all these stories we are supposed to derive some meaning to our lives.
but what about when the stories are just plain wrong. what meaning do we derive from that? the story, or the wrongness?

You are deciding what is and is not right or wrong. Bad stories can also teach.

Sadly the position  you hold is one many people do, a very condescending one that is also based more in ignorance then understanding.

please elaborate

The Noah story is the story where mankind becomes corrupt so God sends a flood. And there is a link drawn in this story to corruption and floods.
When new Orleans was flooded a few years back it happened because corrupt politicians for decades had stopped spending money on Levy defenses.

from a viewpoint of a moral wise story for humans to learn from (just like the boy that cried wolf) i agree with this.
but many people believe this actually happened.

So what? It's irrelevant really.

why wouldn't they

just like above, if one uses its stories in the same way they use little red riding hood then i see merit it that.
but to use it as a whole as some kind of 'encyclopedia' for all of lifes challenges is misleading and serves no purpose.

Completely disagree.

'Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself for that is the whole of the Torah'

[Jolly2]

I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions.

Good football coaches teach something they refer to as "staying on your block" which simply means, keep driving your legs and keep jamming your body with full force into the defender until the Ref blows his whistle. The phrase is just a reminder, a term that stresses the importance to persist, to keep going all out, and not let anything, anything, no matter what, direct your efforts away from that single minded goal.
To wit, I have asked alan and his like-minded teammates to answer my questions which derive from the numerous and outrageous errors they make continuously. I am in no hurry. We have a long time before that whistle blows.
Be aware, and if you are intelligent and a good dude/dudess, you can't miss it: Our intellectual superheroes don't participate in these debates as though they have any confidence in the positions they hold.   

Again, my friend, what do you mean he was a radical rabbi? Where did you get that idea? You say his buds said that about him. What did they say? specifically, do you really know? (I don't think you do.)

Where is this text from?

Again, what radical form of Judaism did Jesus preach?

Karaitism.

"Nothing unusual about that,

Maybe not to another karaite.
But to the rabbinical groups like the pharisees of the time it was extremely radical.

nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions."

Completely incorrect.  Jesus in Mark 7 utterly spoke against the these traditions. These takanot.
Matthew 15.

What are you saying? Give several examples from his preaching. I don't believe you know.

Just did.

He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY

Show one place Jesus ever said that?

Just one...

[duffyd]

“In the privacy of my room, I begged for help. I had no notion who I thought I was talking to, I just knew that I had come to the end of my tether … and, getting down on my knees, I surrendered. Within a few days I realized that … I had found a place to turn to, a place I’d always known was there but never really wanted, or needed, to believe in. From that day until this, I have never failed to pray in the morning, on my knees, asking for help, and at night, to express gratitude for my life and, most of all, for my sobriety. I choose to kneel because I feel I need to humble myself when I pray, and with my ego, this is the most I can do. If you are asking why I do all this, I will tell you … because it works, as simple as that.”
I have finally found a place to live, just like I never could before
And I know I don’t have much to give, but soon I’ll open any door.
Everybody knows the secret, everybody knows the score.
I have finally found a place to live, in the presence of the Lord
Clapton

Baby Eric. That's how it works. So simple. So hard to do. The payoff is out of sight. Like nothing we've ever known or imagined.

[duffyd]

He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY

Show one place Jesus ever said that?

Just one...
[/quote]

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39).

Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

[duffyd]

This you can be sure of: HE is there if you desire to find HIM above all others. Science can confirm that if we do as the bible instructs us, the bible turns out to be extremely accurate and many scientists have found that to be absolutely true,

[duffyd]

Why can't god force someone to love it? Is it unaware of psychology, manipulation or hypnotism? Didn't it create those things? You seem to be able to attach anything to this god. It's almost as if it is a convenient mouthpiece for your own opinions. No matter how horrendous they are. Am I correct? *GO ON BE HONEST FOR ONCE. Go on be honest for once.

He said this too and many more insults, "The followers of the desert mythology book are the poster children of the sociopathic religious establishment."

*my emphasis

Take note mods. Is this the kind of respect as required in the rules? 

[Bored chemist]

the bible turns out to be extremely accurate

LOL
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2013/08/19/an-incredible-interactive-chart-of-biblical-contradictions/

[Bored chemist]

Say "Hi" to Hinkley.

The Leicester town, or the power station?

Did you consider posting something that made sense, or are you just trolling.

That's alright. I know. Apology accepted. You'll be fine. Take a deep breath. You're in good hands. That's right. You can do it. No, don't give up. Things will get better. You'll see. Ok. Bye-bye. Take care. Take care. Sure. Ok. Will do. Nice knowing you.

I'm trying to work out idf this is a childish insult, or an indication that Duffy is losing the plot.

[Jolly2]

He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY

Show one place Jesus ever said that?

Just one...

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).

So Jesus claims to have been around since before Abraham was born. How is that him claiming to be Almighty God himself?

"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Quote rabbi Mordechai Kraft "what is love? When you become me, when I give soo much to you that I can no longer separate between you and me and therefore I see you as a part of me, I love you, we're one"

Oh and ofcourse as you see in John 17.20 ".... may they all be one in us as you are in me and I am in you... that they may be one as we are one"

Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God

They certainly did not.

and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"?

Exodus 4.22 "Israel is my first born son I order you to let my son go"

Jesus ofcourse is a member of Israel. John 4.23 "salvation comes from the Jews"

John 3.16 "God loved the world so much he sent his son into the world."

Matthew 5.9 "happy the pacemakers for they shall be called sons of God "

Ergo all Jews are called to be gods children

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39).

Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Exactly jesus represents God fully but to represent someone isnt to be them.

me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

Think about it.

[duffyd]

He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY

Show one place Jesus ever said that?

Just one...

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).

So Jesus claims to have been around since before Abraham was born. How is that him claiming to be Almighty God himself?

"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Quote rabbi Mordechai Kraft "what is love? When you become me, when I give soo much to you that I can no longer separate between you and me and therefore I see you as a part of me, I love you, we're one"

Oh and ofcourse as you see in John 17.20 ".... may they all be one in us as you are in me and I am in you... that they may be one as we are one"

Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God

They certainly did not.

and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"?

Exodus 4.22 "Israel is my first born son I order you to let my son go"

Jesus ofcourse is a member of Israel. John 4.23 "salvation comes from the Jews"

John 3.16 "God loved the world so much he sent his son into the world."

Matthew 5.9 "happy the pacemakers for they shall be called sons of God "

Ergo all Jews are called to be gods children

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39).

Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Exactly jesus represents God fully but to represent someone isnt to be them.

me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

Think about it.

He's inside me. I asked Him to come in and He manifested His presence. As God, He was already in me, because He's everywhere. But, inviting Him to live in me a true relationship formed. Listen, interpret the scriptures however you choose. That's fine with me.
I see the same scriptures clearly pointing to His divinity. We can play bible ping-pong forever. You share a verse that doesn't establish He was God and I share one with you that I think does. You've made up your mind. Me too.
Saying He was around when Abe made the scene got the Jews pissed enough they tried to kill Him on the spot. Why? They knew He was proclaiming to be GOD. That's why they decided He had to go. They knew what He meant and they hated His guts. He showed them true spirituality is about helping others, even if it is on the sabbath. And He showed them that truth by performing miracles, left and right, on that holy day.
They were quite familiar with His miraculous powers. They knew He performed many miracles. Even that fat slob Herod heard about his miracles. But, they were blind to the fact that He had to be GOD. No one ever performed miracles like He was. They saw the miracles. Many atheists want evidence. There He was in real time right in their faces and they knew He was doing miracles but they couldn't make the connection. Hatred is like that. Jealousy is like that. Envy, too. And sinful hearts get twisted and hatred can pour out like waste water.