[duffyd]

Nobody worships rabbis. We aren't that stupid.

How stupid are you?

[duffyd]

Everything you've said so far is wrong, except He lived. More important, you keep missing what He's saying to you.

[duffyd]

Nobody worships rabbis. We aren't that stupid.

 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”
And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!”
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
 So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

You missed the whole point. Of course they worshiped HIM. HE WAS GOD ALMIGHTY.  The Alpha and the Omega, the Savior of the World, the Bright and Morning Star, the I AM, the Good Shepherd, the Door, the Advocate, Alive Forever More, The Anointed, The Messiah, The Lamb Of God, Emmanuel, Master, Prince Of Peace ........

[duffyd]

No one throughout history is like HE was and is. HE said HE was GOD and proved it over and over. Whoever has ears to hear, Let him hear!

But, each of us can know Him personally. That is His guarantee. You don't have to rely upon what anyone else may say. HE can be yours and HE can prove to you individually, personally, YOU, exactly Who HE is. If HE is not the risen Savior of the world, HE can't do anything.

Scientists love experiments. Test HIM out. Don't play games with Him. If you aren't sincere, HE will not respond. If you must know whether or not HE IS, ask HIM to show you for Pete's sake and HE will. That's scientific.

[duffyd]

The most remarkable thing is this: these lovers of science refuse to experiment. They choose not to test HIM. It is free. Costs nothing. Nothing to lose and everything to gain and they will not.

[Bored chemist]

They choose not to test HIM.

There are two problems with that.
First; you are wrong.
The tests have been done. God fails.
Secondly, when we do the tests- and point out that God fails, we get told "Well, of course it failed".
Matthew 4:7
Test not thy God.


So, why are you so wrong?

[Pseudoscience-is-malarkey]

Because scientists are human too and really want the existence of an afterlife to be true. There is also people who pretend to believe it to avoid being ostracized. There's a rumor that JFK was an an atheist but didn't come out of the closet about it for obvious reasons. Richard Dawkins was the first to theorize this about his favorite American president.

I'm an active member of RA (Rambling Anonymous), so ill leave this answer to that.

[duffyd]

@duffyd You want everyone else to believe in something you were told was true. Without any evidence. Because the grown ups that taught you that were the ones you thought you could trust implicitly.

One more example where the accuser has no idea what she's saying.
You'll see, if you are interested, that this particular individual and her friends are locked into such foolishness, while continuously accusing her opponents of doing exactly the same. Despite exposing them for such duplicitous behavior, they are incapable of acknowledging it and changing it. Debating uninformed and biased individuals is a waste of my intellect and my integrity. If they were, even to the slightest degree, remorseful for such ongoing dishonesty, I would be happy to give them additional opportunities to try to prove their positions.

[Kryptid]

One more example where the accuser has no idea what she's saying.

And now you think a user named "jeffteyH" is a woman?

[duffyd]

There is also people who pretend to believe it to avoid being ostracized. There's a rumor that JFK was an an atheist but didn't come out of the closet about it for obvious reasons.

Well, if you knew history, you would not make such a ridiculous statement. JFK's father, The Patriarch Joe Kennedy, spent a fortune trying to convince the voting public that Jack's Catholicism would not interfere with his decision making, if he were fortunate enough to become the first catholic president. By a quirk of fate and brilliant politics he won the endorsement of black leadership who, in the nick of time, decided it would be safe to vote for a catholic afterall.
"A for effort" but once again that nonsense fails here, too.

[duffyd]

One more example where the accuser has no idea what she's saying.

And now you think a user named "jeffteyH" is a woman?

A Boy Named Sue. I have no bias.

[duffyd]

UNFORTUNATELY, no one has proffered a single new or insightful argument to further their cause. Only rehashed opinions, misleading comments and hyperbole are presented, not what I had hoped for among the better educated among us. Science is a tool that proves HE was Who HE said HE was.

[duffyd]

How did they come up with this material?

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going"

Do you know anyone who spoke like that?.

[duffyd]

How did they come up with this material?

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going"

Do you know anyone who spoke like that?.

This is a special approach that substantiates the numerous claims of His divinity. As Literary Criticism is considered a legitimate field of study, we can apply the same techniques to verify that not only did these, His words, flow from Him and no other, but in fact only GOD could have formulated the very quotes we have from ancient records. What Christ said is so unique, so unlike what other people have said, we must acknowledge the GOD-like quality to His statements, questions, teachings, His prayers and sermons. As you study the things He verbalized, you are compelled to accept HE had to be GOD, or as CS Lewis said, a nut who thought he was a poached egg.
We know this for sure: you must decide Who HE is. HE leaves no room to dismiss HIM as irrelevant.

[Bored chemist]

One more example where the accuser has no idea what she's saying.

You might not understand it; the rest of us know what they are saying.

Debating uninformed and biased individuals is a waste of my intellect and my integrity.

Is that why you don't debate; but choose to preach instead?

[Bored chemist]

There is also people who pretend to believe it to avoid being ostracized. There's a rumor that JFK was an an atheist but didn't come out of the closet about it for obvious reasons.

Well, if you knew history, you would not make such a ridiculous statement. JFK's father, The Patriarch Joe Kennedy, spent a fortune trying to convince the voting public that Jack's Catholicism would not interfere with his decision making, if he were fortunate enough to become the first catholic president. By a quirk of fate and brilliant politics he won the endorsement of black leadership who, in the nick of time, decided it would be safe to vote for a catholic afterall.
"A for effort" but once again that nonsense fails here, too.

That might count as evidence that JFK was raised in a Catholic household.
But it says nothing about what JFK himself actually believed, does it?

[Bored chemist]

UNFORTUNATELY, no one has proffered a single new or insightful argument to further their cause.

It is true that most of the points about the lack of evidence for God are old.
They have been put forward before.
And as I said

And, if you were acting rationally, you would either refute them, or you would accept them.

But you haven't- even though, as you say, you have had years to do so.


So, since you have  a multi-year track record of not being rational, what are you doing on a science discussion forum?

(The "you"  there is a plural).

How did they come up with this material?

They had a committee

Do you know anyone who spoke like that?.

Yes, the committee.

Do you not realise that the Bible is the work of man. We know the names of the men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version#Translation_committees

[Bored chemist]

His words, flow from Him and no other,

He did not speak English.
Those words came from a known, named group of people in the late 16th + early 17th C

[alancalverd]

He did not speak English.

Or Greek, or much Latin (though apparently enough to argue with Pontius Pilate, but we have no contemporaneous court documents). It's possible that some Hebrew documents are close to the truth but written classical Hebrew can be a bit casual with vowels, so beware of taking anything too literally.

I'm told by those who know that there's little difference between "I am" and "mine is" in Aramaic. "Mine is the Way, the Truth and the Life" makes sense - I guess every charismatic leader and vegetarian has said it sometime. But "I am the Way...." is drivel in any language.

[duffyd]

He did not speak English.

Or Greek, or much Latin (though apparently enough to argue with Pontius Pilate, but we have no contemporaneous court documents). It's possible that some Hebrew documents are close to the truth but written classical Hebrew can be a bit casual with vowels, so beware of taking anything too literally.

I'm told by those who know that there's little difference between "I am" and "mine is" in Aramaic. "Mine is the Way, the Truth and the Life" makes sense - I guess every charismatic leader and vegetarian has said it sometime. But "I am the Way...." is drivel in any language.

Stick with the experts. Don't listen to "others" unless they have training. You can pick apart what He is quoted as saying and add that none of it is contmporaneous, which defeats your purpose. They most likely wrote down what He said as He said it. WE got the good news and it has been tested thoroughly for 2,000 years. These folks were by no means your average citizens. They were Jews, the best and the brightest of any/all people groups. JESUS targeted them as His original audience. HE was Jewish. They were not idiots. They strove with every ounce of strength and all the resources they could find to leave for us what actually took place, despite all kinds of threats. You don't want to introduce your messiah to a people whose entire identity is wrapped in the strongest "religious" tradition unless you are masochists or you know what you are doing.
The resistance out of the block to try to destroy and pervert and to misapply the gospel message is a phenomenon. The pieces of the puzzle fall into place when we allow the good news to be what it is.