[talanum1 (OP)]

Matter and antimatter always get produced together in matching quantities, but afterward, the antimatter get ejected into a parallel world made of antimatter.

[Kryptid]

Evidence please.

[Malamute Lover]

Matter and antimatter always get produced together in matching quantities, but afterward, the antimatter get ejected into a parallel world made of antimatter.

I presume you are talking about matter and antimatter being produced in equal amounts in the early universe going into 'a parallel world made of antimatter'. Antimatter produced in particle collider events, pretty quickly combines with matter, creating photons. It does not leave this universe.

Personally I would be leery of using the term 'parallel universe'. The question arises of what the mechanism would be and most especially what is meant by 'parallel universe'. Also it raises issues of mass-energy conservation when the antimatter goes away..

A similar idea might be that at the origin of the universe, two different kinds of matter were created, positive mass matter and negative mass antimatter. Since mass shapes spacetime leading to gravity, negative mass should shape spacetime so that time runs backward with antigravity. In this way, the negative antimatter would go the other way in time in a mirror image universe connected to this one at the origin point.

For this to work, conditions at the origin of the universe would need to be such that positive energy and matter are linked and that negative energy and antimatter are linked. Also a property called parity which a little bit techie, but is another observed asymmetry in our universe. What might those conditions be? Don’t know.

[Bored chemist]

antimatter get ejected

What by?
Unicorns?

[Malamute Lover]

antimatter get ejected

What by?
Unicorns?

Anti-unicorns

[Bored chemist]

antimatter get ejected

What by?
Unicorns?

Anti-unicorns

A unicorn is its own antiparticle.

[Malamute Lover]

antimatter get ejected

What by?
Unicorns?

Anti-unicorns

A unicorn is its own antiparticle.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tutotoons.app.mybabyunicorn.free&hl=en_US


But seriously, does anyone have anything to say about this? It could be a good topic for discussion. All kinds of wacky speculative potential.

[Bored chemist]

It could be a good topic for discussion.

Define "good".
It's a pointless topic.
There is not, and can not be any evidence either supporting or contradicting the suggested process.

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[puppypower]

The observation of positron emission, from atomic matter tells me that anti-matter and matter is a misleading nomenclature. Electrons and positrons, which are matter and antimatter pairs, will annihilate but positrons and matter based atomic nuclei do not behave this way, even though atomic nuclei and positrons are technically matter and anti-matter, respectively.

In other words, if they were indeed equal and opposite; parallel dimensions, all combination of matter and anti-matter would annihilate. We would not get atomic matter kicking off antimatter; positron, after holding it, which then looks for an electron to annihilate. Positrons are too cosy with some aspects of matter.

If you look at Relativity, both Special and General, mass and inertial references cannot go the speed of light, nor can they occupy a speed of light reference. If we started with speed of light photons making matter and antimatter, inertial reference is not stable until mass accumulates. Relativity is not about charge or other exotic states of matter, but is dependent only on mass. These do not apply until net mass appears in the universe.

As long as mass and anti-mass reverse back to energy, though annihilation, all we will have are net energy particles at the speed of light. Therefore, there will be no stable inertial capacitance; mass, for a stable inertial reference platform.The universe cannot change its space-time reference away from the speed of light; photons reference, in a permanent way without having mass appear to form a solid discontinuity with c.

without stable mass, the expansion would keep on aborting, since expansion would mean an expanding space-time reference, which makes no sense without permanent mass being a part of the process. Equal parts of mass and anti-mass would never allow an expansion of space-time into inertial references The universe singularity would forever vibrate and pulsate.

Once mass does stabilize, a discontinuity with the speed of light reference is made firm and irreversible; mass cannot go the speed of light. Now we can only go forward and GR and SR can apply. The universe has to go froward in time, since direct reversal back to the speed of light reference is blocked due to the stable mass.

Going from mass and anti mass, to just mass, will lower the universal entropy; less complex, and releases lots of energy. This would be similar to the anti-mass share. The entropic potential of the 2nd now appears, the vectors of time begins, and entropy pushes outward and cools the hot universe, through expansion and matter condensations.

[Bored chemist]

The observation of positron emission, from atomic matter tells me that anti-matter and matter is a misleading nomenclature. Electrons and positrons, which are matter and antimatter pairs, will annihilate but positrons and matter based atomic nuclei do not behave this way, even though atomic nuclei and positrons are technically matter and anti-matter, respectively.

And it tells the grown-ups that matter obeys the conservation laws for mass, energy and momentum.

[Kryptid]

Electrons and positrons, which are matter and antimatter pairs, will annihilate but positrons and matter based atomic nuclei do not behave this way, even though atomic nuclei and positrons are technically matter and anti-matter, respectively.

Matter and antimatter only annihilate if they are matter/antimatter versions of the same particle.

[Malamute Lover]

The observation of positron emission, from atomic matter tells me that anti-matter and matter is a misleading nomenclature. Electrons and positrons, which are matter and antimatter pairs, will annihilate but positrons and matter based atomic nuclei do not behave this way, even though atomic nuclei and positrons are technically matter and anti-matter, respectively.

As pointed out by Kryptid, the annihilation of matter and anti-matter requires matching particle types. An electron and a positron annihilate and become high energy photons because their quantum values cancel out, leaving only energy with zero quantum values, i.e., photons.

In other words, if they were indeed equal and opposite; parallel dimensions, all combination of matter and anti-matter would annihilate. We would not get atomic matter kicking off antimatter; positron, after holding it, which then looks for an electron to annihilate. Positrons are too cosy with some aspects of matter.

The proposal by talanum1 was for a parallel universe for the primordial antimatter to go to. He is assuming that this happens in some way in place of the matter/antimatter annihilation. 

The question being addressed is, since matter and antimatter appear in equal amounts in collider events, why would this not be the case in the early universe? And if it was the case, why is there only matter today? Why did it not all annihilate leaving only photons? That is what talanum1 was addressing. This is a real problem in physics. None of the proposed solutions have gotten really widespread support.

If you look at Relativity, both Special and General, mass and inertial references cannot go the speed of light, nor can they occupy a speed of light reference. If we started with speed of light photons making matter and antimatter, inertial reference is not stable until mass accumulates. Relativity is not about charge or other exotic states of matter, but is dependent only on mass. These do not apply until net mass appears in the universe.

As long as mass and anti-mass reverse back to energy, though annihilation, all we will have are net energy particles at the speed of light. Therefore, there will be no stable inertial capacitance; mass, for a stable inertial reference platform. The universe cannot change its space-time reference away from the speed of light; photons reference, in a permanent way without having mass appear to form a solid discontinuity with c.

without stable mass, the expansion would keep on aborting, since expansion would mean an expanding space-time reference, which makes no sense without permanent mass being a part of the process. Equal parts of mass and anti-mass would never allow an expansion of space-time into inertial references The universe singularity would forever vibrate and pulsate.

Once mass does stabilize, a discontinuity with the speed of light reference is made firm and irreversible; mass cannot go the speed of light. Now we can only go forward and GR and SR can apply. The universe has to go froward in time, since direct reversal back to the speed of light reference is blocked due to the stable mass.

A singularity is simply a place in the math where it does not work anymore, usually involving division by zero. It is not a thing.  It means there is something going on beyond our current ability to describe. A singularity cannot be said to ‘vibrate and pulsate’.

Universal expansion does not require mass. It only requires energy. Friedmann and Lemaitre independently discovered that General Relativity implied an expanding universe even if only energy were present.

It is true that if the universe held only photons, there would be no frames of reference for speeds less than lightspeed. But why is there matter instead of only photons? What happened to the antimatter that should have been there?  Without addressing that, the idea of mass has to be put in by hand, which is no answer at all.

Going from mass and anti mass, to just mass, will lower the universal entropy; less complex, and releases lots of energy. This would be similar to the anti-mass share. The entropic potential of the 2nd now appears, the vectors of time begins, and entropy pushes outward and cools the hot universe, through expansion and matter condensations.

By anti-mass, I presume you mean antimatter, which has positive mass-energy the same as ordinary matter.  (My proposal actually does involve negative mass-energy. More on that at a later time.)

I have no idea what “going from mass (matter?) to anti-mass (antimatter?) to mass (matter?)” means. An original mix of equal parts of matter and antimatter would lead to a lot of high energy photon production. These photons would decay into matter and antimatter components and lower energy photons. The matter and antimatter would undergo annihilation producing lower energy photons that would produce more matter and antimatter. Eventually the photons would be too weak to produce anything else, not having enough energy to satisfy the mass needs of any particles. End result, only photons.

I am not going to discuss entropy with you here because you keep insisting that entropy is a thing or a force or whatever you think it is instead of simply a statistical measure only valid in the big picture and very often violated in local regions.

In any case, you have not addressed the issue of the missing primordial antimatter. Why is the universe not just photons?  talanum1 recognized the problem and offered a solution, one that is admittedly exotic and potentially problematic. But he addressed the problem.

[puppypower]

Matter and antimatter only annihilate if they are matter/antimatter versions of the same particle.

This was what I was addressing. Then term matter and anti-matter is not conceptually correct.  Rather it has an exception addendum that is not implied by the terminology. One may ask why do we need the addendum when the title seems so straight forward?

Or does this addendum help us answer the question? If we had, hypothetically, mass, electrons and positrons,  we have a wild card based on the exception to the rule. This appears to stabilize the positron against electron annihilation. This is extrapolated from positron emission and how matter based nuclei can accommodate the anti-matter positrons in peace. At high density, like neuron density and above, we have one large nucleus for late scale positron capture and annihilation protection. This would imply positive charge prefers higher mass. Once formed the election keeps its distance.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, mass is the only thing of substance among mass, distance and time. Time and distance are reference tools used for the mind, that help one to orientate the activity of mass and matter. We can't save time in a bottle or conserve distance in jars. The tools do not lead reality, except in the imagination. What is real and tangible has to lead. This means mass has to lead, time and distance. Only mass can be saved in a jar.

Before mass, space and time and all inertial references were discontinuous. As such, even if we formed mass and anti-mass from photons, they cannot find each other in a place where time and space are discontinuous. These will annihilate in the lab, but the tab has a platform of universal mass for time and distance for motion and vectors.

We need to go from mass and anti-mass, in a place where there is no time or distance, to a place where there is time and distance, which will requires only mass. This requires mass become dominant for time and distance to appear. As long as they balance, we are at the discontinuity and singularity. We may only get pulses due to mass and anti mass randomly finding each other, without any sense of direction in space and time due to attractiive forces.

The observation of a mass based universe tells us that the entropy contained in mass and anti-mass dropped, from two things to just one thing. A lowering of entropy will release energy, while the creation of just mass will allow space and time to appear. How this happens requires we  assume the speed of light is the grourd state, which nobody is ready to accept.

The question being addressed is, since matter and antimatter appear in equal amounts in collider events, why would this not be the case in the early universe? And if it was the case, why is there only matter today? Why did it not all annihilate leaving only photons? That is what talanum1 was addressing. This is a real problem in physics. None of the proposed solutions have gotten really widespread support.

If you assume the speed of light is the ground state, this ground state will define a discontinuity of space-time as implied by relativity. This adds another layer of logic, that existing theory does not have. Nobody is ready to accept the inevitable. Regardless, at the speed of light, time and distance become discontinuous. Space-time does not apply. Without these constraints more things are possible. One can move in time without space restriction and move in space without time restrictions. There is no mass to place limits. We have a sitatuin of infinite information entropy that exists at the speed of light reference.

A simple example to see this at work are the anarchist that are in the news. This behavior is similar to a primative state of humanity. The history books are full of closed minded anarchists busting up  the house, but who cannot rebuild. They are more like a virus than a cell. This is a state of lower brain operating system entropy; less complex state, than a culture of give, take and building. The lowering of brain entropy; earlier software version, gives off physical energy,which is the drive behind all the action.

If we go from mass and anti mass to just mass, we are reversing information entropy within the speed of light reference. This will be exothermic. While mass will create a limitation in time and space; more primitive state, away from the higher complexity of a massless backdrop where time and distance are not limited and all things are possible.

If the anarchist succeed, they will reboot the cultural operqtinh system to an earlier time from which it can hopefully builds back to the initial state of the operating system; higher entropy but with improvements.  The second law driven by infinite entropt from the ground state a the speed of light assures time much go forward, since backwards lowers entropy.

[Kryptid]

This is extrapolated from positron emission and how matter based nuclei can accommodate the anti-matter positrons in peace. At high density, like neuron density and above, we have one large nucleus for late scale positron capture and annihilation protection. This would imply positive charge prefers higher mass. Once formed the election keeps its distance.

Positrons don't exist inside of nuclei. It's all quarks.

[Bored chemist]

This was what I was addressing. Then term matter and anti-matter is not conceptually correct.  Rather it has an exception addendum that is not implied by the terminology. One may ask why do we need the addendum when the title seems so straight forward?

As I said, the grown-ups don't need the so called addendum, because it follows from  the conservation laws.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, mass is the only thing of substance among mass, distance and time.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, distance is the only thing of extent among mass, distance and time.
If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, time is the only thing of duration among mass, distance and time.

So what?
Just because you only chose to cherry pick one of the three doesn't make it special.

If you assume the speed of light is the ground state, this ground state will define a discontinuity of space-time as implied by relativity.

Relativity does not imply a discontinuity of space time.
So there's no need to imagine the speed of light as a ground state- which is just as well; because the idea is a bit silly.

[talanum1 (OP)]

There is no mass to place limits.

Spacetime can exist without mass.

[Kryptid]

And, once again, I ask for evidence that antimatter was "ejected into a parallel world".

[puppypower]

This was what I was addressing. Then term matter and anti-matter is not conceptually correct.  Rather it has an exception addendum that is not implied by the terminology. One may ask why do we need the addendum when the title seems so straight forward?

As I said, the grown-ups don't need the so called addendum, because it follows from  the conservation laws.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, mass is the only thing of substance among mass, distance and time.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, distance is the only thing of extent among mass, distance and time.
If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, time is the only thing of duration among mass, distance and time.

So what?
Just because you only chose to cherry pick one of the three doesn't make it special.

If you assume the speed of light is the ground state, this ground state will define a discontinuity of space-time as implied by relativity.

Relativity does not imply a discontinuity of space time.
So there's no need to imagine the speed of light as a ground state- which is just as well; because the idea is a bit silly.

Matter and anti-matter occur in pairs. However, matter and anti-matter have more than one pair, with different pairs not annihilating each other so easily. Positron emission would not be possible if this positron based antimatter was out to get the nucleus matter, for just being matter. More than one pair of matter and anti-matter adds a buffering affect.

The question is why is there more matter than anti-matter? The answer is more that one pair  of matter and anti-matter at a time acts differently from single pair annihilation. The adults are too blind to see the simple answer. Positron or antimatter emission from the atomic nucleus of matter was the clue. I explained this is more detail as mass and anti mass not able to annihilate since without net mass there is no stable time and space platform. Plug in m=0 in GR.

Mass is the only thing of substance in the three parameters of relativity. Substance is different from subjective reference variables like distance=extent or duration=time. Time and distance are relative to reference, but mass is not relative. We can add relativistic mass which is a type of energy reference variable. It is place holder to help maintain an energy balance. Putting time and distance before mass in priority is like betting on a pet rock to be real based with the imagined properties of love and loyalty.

To me, I would look at the rock and know it is not animated or personified, beyond our the imagination or social convention defined by cancel culture. Only mass stands alone as tangible and real, outside subjective attachments. Even if we add no subjective attachments a rock, a rock  will hurt. It has it own properties for all.  The pet rock made money based on subject reference variables thought to be real, placed first before the rock. It never dawned on many that a rock is a rock and its tangible properties help the clueless to focus the imagination. Relative space and time do not exist apart from mass but exist because of it. 

Energy can cause changes in space-time, but only because mass is already present in large scale throughout the universe. It would be hard to run any experiment without mass since this is needed for the tools. Energy is hard to machine and keep calibrated.The black hole starts with a core of mass to keep energy from flying away in all directions. If there is less than so much mass, the same energy wants to spread out. The constant reference for energy is the speed of light. While mass cannot go there, but has to remain in finite space-time.

[Kryptid]

anti mass

What is "anti mass"? Antimatter just has regular old mass.

[Malamute Lover]

Matter and antimatter only annihilate if they are matter/antimatter versions of the same particle.

This was what I was addressing. Then term matter and anti-matter is not conceptually correct.  Rather it has an exception addendum that is not implied by the terminology. One may ask why do we need the addendum when the title seems so straight forward?

Or does this addendum help us answer the question? If we had, hypothetically, mass, electrons and positrons,  we have a wild card based on the exception to the rule. This appears to stabilize the positron against electron annihilation. This is extrapolated from positron emission and how matter based nuclei can accommodate the anti-matter positrons in peace. At high density, like neuron density and above, we have one large nucleus for late scale positron capture and annihilation protection. This would imply positive charge prefers higher mass. Once formed the election keeps its distance.

If you look at Einstein's theories of Relativity, mass is the only thing of substance among mass, distance and time. Time and distance are reference tools used for the mind, that help one to orientate the activity of mass and matter. We can't save time in a bottle or conserve distance in jars. The tools do not lead reality, except in the imagination. What is real and tangible has to lead. This means mass has to lead, time and distance. Only mass can be saved in a jar.

Before mass, space and time and all inertial references were discontinuous. As such, even if we formed mass and anti-mass from photons, they cannot find each other in a place where time and space are discontinuous. These will annihilate in the lab, but the tab has a platform of universal mass for time and distance for motion and vectors.

We need to go from mass and anti-mass, in a place where there is no time or distance, to a place where there is time and distance, which will requires only mass. This requires mass become dominant for time and distance to appear. As long as they balance, we are at the discontinuity and singularity. We may only get pulses due to mass and anti mass randomly finding each other, without any sense of direction in space and time due to attractiive forces.

The observation of a mass based universe tells us that the entropy contained in mass and anti-mass dropped, from two things to just one thing. A lowering of entropy will release energy, while the creation of just mass will allow space and time to appear. How this happens requires we  assume the speed of light is the grourd state, which nobody is ready to accept.

The question being addressed is, since matter and antimatter appear in equal amounts in collider events, why would this not be the case in the early universe? And if it was the case, why is there only matter today? Why did it not all annihilate leaving only photons? That is what talanum1 was addressing. This is a real problem in physics. None of the proposed solutions have gotten really widespread support.

If you assume the speed of light is the ground state, this ground state will define a discontinuity of space-time as implied by relativity. This adds another layer of logic, that existing theory does not have. Nobody is ready to accept the inevitable. Regardless, at the speed of light, time and distance become discontinuous. Space-time does not apply. Without these constraints more things are possible. One can move in time without space restriction and move in space without time restrictions. There is no mass to place limits. We have a sitatuin of infinite information entropy that exists at the speed of light reference.

A simple example to see this at work are the anarchist that are in the news. This behavior is similar to a primative state of humanity. The history books are full of closed minded anarchists busting up  the house, but who cannot rebuild. They are more like a virus than a cell. This is a state of lower brain operating system entropy; less complex state, than a culture of give, take and building. The lowering of brain entropy; earlier software version, gives off physical energy,which is the drive behind all the action.

If we go from mass and anti mass to just mass, we are reversing information entropy within the speed of light reference. This will be exothermic. While mass will create a limitation in time and space; more primitive state, away from the higher complexity of a massless backdrop where time and distance are not limited and all things are possible.

If the anarchist succeed, they will reboot the cultural operqtinh system to an earlier time from which it can hopefully builds back to the initial state of the operating system; higher entropy but with improvements.  The second law driven by infinite entropt from the ground state a the speed of light assures time much go forward, since backwards lowers entropy.

I do not even know where to start with the errors. But since I have previously addressed most of them here and elsewhere, I am not even going to bother. But I will say that making up your own terms to replace standard terms is not conducive to meaningful discourse.