[An1diotbut5tillwondering (OP)]

Absolute Zero AZ

(why is it ignored )?
 
My question is simple enough because as you can tell I'm not a scientist I would like to know why ultracold and its effects on the universe are never seriously included in theories. It occurred to that that If we consider AZ for a moment, we could imagine what happens at the end, when all the Energy/Matter has been used up in the Universe. (through countless expansions and contractions...if you believe that theory).

The only thing that can reasonable exist is Absolute Zero (AZ) the default setting...literally absolute zero energy/matter, absolute zero gravity and AZ temperature -273.15

Is it a stretch to presume therefore, that prior to the Big Bang (BB) that the universe was in the same state...default setting?

So the history of our Universe would now look like:-

   AZ – BB – Expansion/Contraction – AZ

This then raises the question where did all the Energy/Matter for the BB come from?

A question like, can Energy/Matter be created in AZ?

A possible answer could be a variation in temperature that occurred  on a miniscule level. Perhaps, a kind of condensation, that allowed for the creation of building blocks for quark or such.

To find this phenomenon we would have to search within Planck's Length 1.6 x 10^35 crossed at AZ plus variant in temperature.

Imagine then if enough Energy were created  throughout the empty space then an imbalance might occur perhaps gravity then a violent contraction which could lead to the BB

The new history of our Universe would look like :-

   AZ – Molecule Creation –  Imbalance - BB – Expansion/Contraction - AZ

Another consideration is that this model allows for a completely depleted Universe to start again and again.  And that a new Universe could come into existence simultaneously outside the realms of our Universe, i f you believe that theory.

At present the Big Bang (BB) is the theory that explains the origins of our Universe, but what if this is only part of the story, only a point in time that we can measure from.  Perhaps we can imagine something different.

Is all this rubbish, please confirm my ignorance thankyou

[Bored chemist]

It's not clear what you mean, but you might find this interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

[pzkpfw]

Re: "AZ – Molecule Creation –  Imbalance - BB – Expansion/Contraction - AZ"

Molecules appeared _after_ the BB, because even atoms did not exist for a while.

[Kryptid]

The conditions at the Big Bang (let alone before the Big Bang, if such a time even existed) are not well understood. Regardless of that, it is widely accepted that conditions were extraordinarily hot right after the Big Bang happened, not extremely cold. If the Big Bang started with a singularity, then a singularity cannot even have a temperature because it has no component parts.

[puppypower]

If we were at absolute zero the second law would be suspended. Entropy could no longer increase, since an increase in entropy requires the absorption of heat/energy and there would be none. Luckily, gravity is not dependent on heat and can act even at absolute zero. Gravity could initially reverse the second law,  lower entropy and then release energy. This will locally increase temperature, until the second law returns.

If you look at out at the universe, it is mostly space that is close to absolute zero, and clumps of matter in the shapes of galaxies, stars and planets, with gravity helping to release energy for the second law. The universe then continues to expand and cool; red shift, attempting to approach absolute zero.

[Bored chemist]

If you look at out at the universe, it is mostly space that is close to absolute zero

It is all infinitely far above absolute zero.

If we were at absolute zero...

We never will be.
Please stop writing fairy tales.

[An1diotbut5tillwondering (OP)]

thankyou for all your replies, in particular from The naked forum king

If you look at out at the universe, it is mostly space that is close to absolute zero, and clumps of matter in the shapes of galaxies, stars and planets, with gravity helping to release energy for the second law. The universe then continues to expand and cool; red shift, attempting to approach absolute zero.

This is the basis of my questions the universe will eventually reach AZ when all energy is depleted, the End. so why not exactly before the BB?  it is the default temperature not the extreme heat of the BB, perhaps that is only a consequence of what happens at AZ.

Again thank you for your comments i am trying to understand this wonderful universe.

[Bored chemist]

If you look at out at the universe, it is mostly space that is close to absolute zero,

No.
It is still infinitely hotter than absolute zero.
And it always will be.
However, given time  the temperature differences will all be small- the last star will have died out- and without temperature differences, you can't do any work.

thankyou for all your replies, in particular from The naked forum king

Which king?
Puppy Power, or the scientist?

[Colin2B]

thankyou for all your replies, in particular from The naked forum king

Which king?
Puppy Power, or the scientist?

Don’t you mean “Puppy Power, or the real scientist?

[Bored chemist]

thankyou for all your replies, in particular from The naked forum king

Which king?
Puppy Power, or the scientist?

Don’t you mean “Puppy Power, or the real scientist?

He isn't even a fake scientist.

[An1diotbut5tillwondering (OP)]

thankyou to you all, your responses have pushed me to read more on the subject.  please correct me if I'm wrong:
1. the background radiation that permeates throughout the universe from the BB is 2.725K  or -270 c
2. in the boomerang nebula they have just recorded a phenomenon that omits 1k
3. I'm trying to understand entropy, what I've read suggest that the ultracold of the universe is speeding up the cooling
 of the universe, transfer of heat is more efficient.

[puppypower]

thankyou for all your replies, in particular from The naked forum king

If you look at out at the universe, it is mostly space that is close to absolute zero, and clumps of matter in the shapes of galaxies, stars and planets, with gravity helping to release energy for the second law. The universe then continues to expand and cool; red shift, attempting to approach absolute zero.

This is the basis of my questions the universe will eventually reach AZ when all energy is depleted, the End. so why not exactly before the BB?  it is the default temperature not the extreme heat of the BB, perhaps that is only a consequence of what happens at AZ.

Again thank you for your comments i am trying to understand this wonderful universe.

The second law states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. If we combine this with the experimental observation that entropy needs to absorb energy to increase, then energy is being made unusable, to the universe.It is unusable since it is being tied up as entropy, which itself continues to increase over time. We can reverse entropy on a smaller scale and get some of this energy back, but the second law implies the pool of lost energy always net increases.

The result of the second law is an ever increasing pool of dead or limbo energy associated with the ever increasing entropy. This dead or limbo pool of energy is not fully reusable to our universe, and the pool continues to increase.

In the limit of the second law, all the live energy of our universe; useable energy, after gravity does its best to convert matter to energy, will become tied up into entropy,, made unusable and the universe will become absolute zero. However, due to energy conservation, there will be this huge pool of dead or limbo energy. Another cycle would need to occur from the dead or limbo energy zone and could appear within absolute zero.

The second law makes the universe cyclic, but not in any conventional way. It is almost a hybrid of continuos expansion and along with local gravity; galaxies, leading to total dead pool energy and absolute zero. From this we can begin again, or maybe do something else within the dead pool and entropy; eternal consciousness.

If we had entropy, but no matter, we have blue prints but without building materials. It is thought but not material actuality; spirit. 

[puppypower]

The second law implies the formation of an ever increasing pool of net unusable energy. There are two types of net unusable energy, which I call dead energy and limbo energy. Limbo energy is lost but can be retrieved on a small scale, but dead energy is not reusable in our universe.

Since dead and limbo energy are both connected to entropy and the second law, there are  different aspects of entropy which create these two overlapping pools of net unusable energy. An example of dead pool energy would be connected to the entropy increase associated with the rise of life and the dinosaurs. This point in time may never occur again on earth. It was a point time where entropy increased, but with the vector of time moving to the future. The dead pool has a connection to time. Time does not cycle or repeat due to the accumulating dead pool altering the useful energy balance of the future.

Limbo energy is different. This is not exactly connected to the flow of time. It is more timeless. For example, we can freeze water in the freezer or during the winter to make ice. This will lower entropy and retrieve heat. It is timeless in the sense it has always been a fact of nature and can be repeated the same now and in the future.

Gravity makes use of limbo energy to help generate activation energy, so entropy can once again move forward; fusion. Time makes this a unique and timeless event; accumulation of dead and limbo pool energy.

[Bored chemist]

If we had entropy, but no matter, we have blue prints but without building materials. It is thought but not material actuality; spirit. 

Just plain silly.
You can't have entropy without matter.

The second law implies the formation of an ever increasing pool of net unusable energy. There are two types of net unusable energy, which I call dead energy and limbo energy. Limbo energy is lost but can be retrieved on a small scale, but dead energy is not reusable in our universe.

Since dead and limbo energy are both connected to entropy and the second law, there are  different aspects of entropy which create these two overlapping pools of net unusable energy. An example of dead pool energy would be connected to the entropy increase associated with the rise of life and the dinosaurs. This point in time may never occur again on earth. It was a point time where entropy increased, but with the vector of time moving to the future. The dead pool has a connection to time. Time does not cycle or repeat due to the accumulating dead pool altering the useful energy balance of the future.

Limbo energy is different. This is not exactly connected to the flow of time. It is more timeless. For example, we can freeze water in the freezer or during the winter to make ice. This will lower entropy and retrieve heat. It is timeless in the sense it has always been a fact of nature and can be repeated the same now and in the future.

Gravity makes use of limbo energy to help generate activation energy, so entropy can once again move forward; fusion. Time makes this a unique and timeless event; accumulation of dead and limbo pool energy.

Hogwash