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Are you inclined to believe matter is made of spacetime events?

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Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #100 on: 21/01/2021 18:51:35 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 07:47:44
Yes, we are saying the same thing. Why didn't you vote?

I didn't know what you meant by space-time events. what do you mean by the way?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #101 on: 21/01/2021 19:58:15 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/01/2021 18:51:35
I didn't know what you meant by space-time events. what do you mean by the way?

Points of space together with timestamps.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #102 on: 21/01/2021 19:59:56 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/01/2021 18:51:35
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 07:47:44
Yes, we are saying the same thing. Why didn't you vote?

I didn't know what you meant by space-time events. what do you mean by the way?
It turns out that he means "stuff"- or something.
Quote from: talanum1 on 06/01/2021 16:59:47
Quote from: Kryptid on 06/01/2021 16:56:57
Why should water respect metal pipes when the metal pipes aren't made out of water?

They are both made of spacetime events.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #103 on: 21/01/2021 20:35:40 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 07:47:44
Like in: the voices were hallucinations.

There's no evidence so far that they weren't.

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 07:47:44
All the time. They are descendants of creatures created from my brain in a previous life, therefore my brain controls them.

A very big claim in need of very big evidence.

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 07:47:44
If someone else can also make particles.

Tell us how we can detect those particles and then deduce that you created them.

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/01/2021 15:27:59
It couldn't have been a hallucination: it
was too long and detailed and it rhymed with my other work.

That does not disqualify it from being a hallucination. People with schizophrenia can have hallucinations that are so realistic they often can't distinguish them from reality. So far, all of your claims are consistent with a hallucination because you have offered no physical evidence to back them up.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #104 on: 22/01/2021 16:02:24 »
I believe they are not hallucinations. It will be proven when a letter or email arrives here from one of my contacts.

Quote from: Kryptid on 21/01/2021 20:35:40
Tell us how we can detect those particles and then deduce that you created them.

You can't: it is two Hydrogen atoms in my throat. Maybe I can go somewhere where they have a cloud chamber and make some particle in it, while stating: "I made a particle", then there must be a corresponding trail in the cloud chamber.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #105 on: 22/01/2021 17:32:27 »
This shows you what a cloud chamber looks like.
How could we spot your contribution?

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #106 on: 22/01/2021 17:55:40 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
I believe they are not hallucinations. It will be proven when a letter or email arrives here from one of my contacts.

I'm the same way with hallucinating and voices. I use to have strong belief in telepathy. Not right now but it flares up. I use to think that because of Einstein's relativity all the matter in the universe was going to collapse into the center and had some wild stroies with voices from that belief. But just like General Relativity it was all make believe.

I couldn't agree with you more that weight in the atom is made up of dense space medium. You and I are pals. :)
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #107 on: 22/01/2021 20:27:38 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
I believe they are not hallucinations.

Many schizophrenics don't believe their hallucinations are hallucinations either. Belief is irrelevant. Evidence is what is important.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
It will be proven when a letter or email arrives here from one of my contacts.

Not really. There would be no way to prove to us that you sent that information via telepathy. You would need to demonstrate your telepathic abilities in a controlled environment in order to show its existence scientifically.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
You can't: it is two Hydrogen atoms in my throat.

Then it isn't open to scientific investigation and therefore isn't science.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
Maybe I can go somewhere where they have a cloud chamber and make some particle in it, while stating: "I made a particle", then there must be a corresponding trail in the cloud chamber.

There would be no way to tell that any of the countless particle trails in the chamber were made by you, so that isn't science either.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #108 on: 23/01/2021 16:52:16 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/01/2021 17:32:27
How could we spot your contribution?

The paths must start when I say: "I made a proton". After many correlations the statistics will tell.

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #109 on: 23/01/2021 17:32:14 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 23/01/2021 16:52:16
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/01/2021 17:32:27
How could we spot your contribution?

The paths must start when I say: "I made a proton". After many correlations the statistics will tell.


Did you actually see the video?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #110 on: 23/01/2021 18:21:07 »
I see how that can be problematic, so we must use shielding.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #111 on: 26/01/2021 19:45:20 »
The existence of Anyons proves that electrons aren't points. There would be no difference in electron behavior when they are confined to a plane if they were points.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #112 on: 26/01/2021 20:11:16 »
After 3 pages, you haven't apparently got anyone to believe you.
Do you accept that this means you have not offered proof of your assertion?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #113 on: 26/01/2021 22:16:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 06/01/2021 17:07:18
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/01/2021 17:03:23
You still have not told is what you think the phrase "spacetime event" means.

Points of space together with time stamps at the points.

They are both relative and not fixed you cant stamp them, the universal post office doesn't have stamps big enough.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #114 on: 26/01/2021 22:19:11 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/01/2021 14:15:29
If matter is not made of spacetime, you sit with the problem of how matter communicates with spacetime to warp it. As it is, it is just spacetime communicating with spacetime.

Gravity warps space time not stuff conversing with itself.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #115 on: 26/01/2021 22:22:37 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 11/01/2021 15:39:07
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2021 15:24:25
The Earth is not made of Mars, but the two are able to communicate.

They are both made of spacetime events.

Do you have a mechanism whereby matter and spacetime communicates? You don't even know what matter is.

My model explains this.

How does your model explain this? Are you trying to say you understand the relationship between gravity and space time? I think einstein actually explains it quite well. You have something to add?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #116 on: 28/01/2021 12:22:24 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 26/01/2021 22:22:37
How does your model explain this? Are you trying to say you understand the relationship between gravity and space time? I think einstein actually explains it quite well. You have something to add?

If matter is made of spacetime the communication is just by contact of spacetime events. If matter is made of something else you need to specify the cogs and gears that communicate, not just name it as gravity.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #117 on: 28/01/2021 14:55:52 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 28/01/2021 12:22:24
Quote from: Jolly2 on 26/01/2021 22:22:37
How does your model explain this? Are you trying to say you understand the relationship between gravity and space time? I think einstein actually explains it quite well. You have something to add?

If matter is made of spacetime the communication is just by contact of spacetime events. If matter is made of something else you need to specify the cogs and gears that communicate, not just name it as gravity.
Naming it "spacetime events" isn't any different.
You also need to explain the "cogs and gears" of "contact".
In normal use the "contact" between two objects is caused by Pauli pressure where two electrons are being forced into the same orbital.
What stops "spacetime events" just passing through eachother?

Also, do you recognise that, since nobody believes you, you have not proved that your idea is right?

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #118 on: 28/01/2021 18:09:17 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/01/2021 14:55:52
What stops "spacetime events" just passing through eachother?

Spacetime expands, and this determines how galaxies move. This suggests spacetime is something tangible and therefore events are unlikely to "pass through each other".
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #119 on: 28/01/2021 19:14:07 »
Could we being mislead, in our considerations, by a mere artefact of language?

The English language allows us to push two separate nouns "Space", and "Time",  together.

To form a new compound noun: "Spacetime".  And nouns are supposed to denote "things".  Therefore, we're lead to believe that the existence of the noun:  "Spacetime",  means that it's a "thing".

The same thing happens in the German language.  Einstein operated in German, of course.  I've done no research into what the German equivalent of "Spacetime" is.  I'd  guess -  "Raumzeit"!  Neat and pithy!

But suppose he'd been operating in French.  The French language is resistant to compound nouns.  Generally, it insists that two nouns be separated by a preposition.  Usually an "a" or "de".  Or at least a hyphen.

What's the French word for "Spacetime"?




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