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Are you inclined to believe matter is made of spacetime events?

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Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #120 on: 28/01/2021 20:24:52 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 28/01/2021 18:09:17
Spacetime expands

Actually, it's only space that expands. I don't think that time "expanding" even makes sense.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #121 on: 29/01/2021 15:58:35 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/01/2021 19:14:07
What's the French word for "Spacetime"?
According to google, it's "espace-temps".

Quote from: charles1948 on 28/01/2021 19:14:07
But suppose he'd been operating in French.
Then he would have used the letter W rather less.
So what?

It's not as if the French are all that bothered about "Le weekend".
Also, the French may bung a hyphen into it, but it's still a compound noun.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace-temps#:~:text=En%20relativit%C3%A9%20restreinte%2C%20l'espace,de%20m%C3%AAme%20en%20relativit%C3%A9%20g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale.
Including " En réalité, ce sont deux versions (vues sous un angle différent) d'une même entité."
i.e. "
In reality, they are two versions (seen from a different angle) of the same entity."
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #122 on: 09/02/2021 16:49:39 »
See:
for the idea that everything is made of the hypergraph that is space. See this at 42 minutes into the video.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #123 on: 09/02/2021 19:52:48 »
Nobody's going to watch a video that long.

We require verbal pith.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #124 on: 11/02/2021 10:02:08 »
I added a timestamp: you don't need to watch the whole video.

I don't know what "pith" means.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #125 on: 13/02/2021 14:41:54 »
After seeing this video:


I now think matter is made out of space not spacetime.

They are actually made of a copy of all of 2-dimensional space with one axis multiplied by i.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #126 on: 13/02/2021 17:10:02 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/02/2021 14:41:54
I now think matter is made out of space ...
It can't be- by definition.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #127 on: 13/02/2021 17:35:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/02/2021 17:10:02
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/02/2021 14:41:54
I now think matter is made out of space ...
It can't be- by definition.

I agree with BC.  "Space" must, by definition, be something different from "Matter".  Space is the absence of matter.








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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #128 on: 15/02/2021 13:10:13 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 13/02/2021 17:35:26
Space is the absence of matter.

That definition cannot be right because it also defines "space" outside the Universe.

The definition: "space = R^3" is better. No matter is mentioned and it is compatible with my model.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #129 on: 15/02/2021 19:01:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 15/02/2021 13:10:13
Quote from: charles1948 on 13/02/2021 17:35:26
Space is the absence of matter.

That definition cannot be right because it also defines "space" outside the Universe.

The definition: "space = R^3" is better. No matter is mentioned and it is compatible with my model.

What do we mean by the "Universe"?
Surely it must mean "Everything there is".  If so, then how can there be anything "Outside" it, as you seem to imply.

Actually, I think you'd make a better case by asserting that there's no true "Space" at all.
Wouldn't that be supported by Quantum Theory.
 
As I understand it, QT maintains that Space isn't really empty.  It's full of matter particles which continually pop in and out of existence.  One moment there's a particle, then it's gone again.  Too quick to spot it.

Except, this perpetual popping of particles creates Dark Energy.  And this energy drives the accelerating expansion of the Universe.

Well, it's a theory. I suppose.  Does it sound credible, you reckon?




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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #130 on: 15/02/2021 20:57:07 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 15/02/2021 13:10:13
That definition cannot be right because it also defines "space" outside the Universe.
You must have a wonky definition of "universe".
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #131 on: 16/02/2021 17:02:47 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 13/02/2021 17:35:26
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/02/2021 17:10:02
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/02/2021 14:41:54
I now think matter is made out of space ...
It can't be- by definition.

I agree with BC.  "Space" must, by definition, be something different from "Matter".  Space is the absence of matter.









Does space exist within molecular lattices, atoms or nucleons?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #132 on: 16/02/2021 17:47:37 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 16/02/2021 17:02:47
Does space exist within molecular lattices, atoms or nucleons?

It exists within molecular lattices and atoms, but not inside nucleons.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/02/2021 20:57:07
You must have a wonky definition of "universe".

I believe there is an outside to the Universe, but it is nothing and cannot be described by R^3.

I made a dark matter particle. It interacts only by gravity so Earth cannot put it in my throat.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #133 on: 16/02/2021 19:45:58 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 16/02/2021 17:47:37
Earth cannot put it in my throat.
Do you realise that when you say stuff like that people stop taking you seriously?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #134 on: 17/02/2021 11:28:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/02/2021 14:41:54
I now think matter is made out of space not spacetime.

Based on Einstein you are fully correct.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-lost-theory-describes-a-universe-without-a-big-bang
"And so Einstein proposed a revision of his model, still with a cosmological constant, but now the constant was responsible for the creation of new matter as the universe expanded (because Einstein believed that in an expanding universe, the overall density of matter had to still stay constant):"
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #135 on: 17/02/2021 13:14:51 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 17/02/2021 11:28:01
Based on Einstein you are fully correct.
No.
Einstein knew the difference between matter and space.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #136 on: 30/03/2021 13:26:49 »
This one made me smile.

sweet stuff.
You have a active imagination talanum
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