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I am possibly unusual in that I listen to both the 5 Live Podcast and the Naked Scientists one!I take issue with your report in today's broadcast on the safety of flying during Covid. Your interviewee failed to consider one vital point which means that the thrust and conclusion are flawed.By way of background my father died of Covid-19 in late March while in Tenerife. He us still there and I have, at some point, to deal with his Spanish affairs. I have therefore done a lot of investigation into the safety of flying, particularly as I have underlying medical issues.Your interviewee mentioned the air filters on planes. After asking many times one airline eventually told me "All our aircraft are fitted with super-efficient, state-of-the-art ventilation and filtration systems to control air quality and circulate fresh air around the cabin every few minutes. These systems are similar to those you would find in hospitalsettings and meet the highest standards of clinical hygiene."So I then asked them what size the filters are in microns. Their response was "the Boeing requirement for a HEPA filter is at least 99.97% efficiency on a 0.3 micron DOP (dioctylphthalate, an aerosol used as a standard for testing) particles tested at the rated flow Per MIL-STD-282, Method 102.9.1, DOP-Smoke Penetration and Air Resistance ofFilters. The HEPA filters recommended in the Reference /A/Multi-Operator Message are rated to HEPA Class H13 (or higher)".So I responded with the observation that as the Covid-19 virus is 0.125 microns or less then their air filters will be ineffective against it.At this point the airline stopped corresponding with me.But the point is that the air filters do not filter out Covid-19 but they do circulate the air every few minutes. Therefore if you have say 100 people who do not know each other in an sealed tube (aeroplane) for hours at a time then the risk is very high and not low as your report stated.
for an adaptable virus.
most likely they are changing the air once a minute if not more
(i did not know planes bothered with filters, seems like alot of weight for no reason)
which is why you dont suffocate and get fume events in the cabin.
The Army Chemical Corps developed a combination mechanical blower and air purifier unit, which incorporated cellulose-asbestos paper
an adaptable virus
People don't get distemper and their dogs don't get colds.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/09/2020 17:58:33People don't get distemper and their dogs don't get colds.Today's fashionable virus sees to have adapted well to its new host. Or maybe the news hasn't reached you yet!
Covid is so specifically adapted that it isn't just a matter of just "only targets people and bats".It only targets the cells of the respiratory tract of people.
So the idea that it's going to leap into bacteria and back during a flight across the Atlantic is... shall we say "a low priority"
That's a lot of generations in a warm, wet environment
You don't get a wet environment by dragging aircraft cabin air through it.
Such values of relative humidity are below comfort guidelines"
If you didn't recirculate you'd have to carry additional water and the system would be heavier and even more complicated!
the air on planes is dead dry
you've been using the wrong airline.