[tackem (OP)]

We spend billions colliding atoms to see what happens. We discover the smallest of particles and research them for the advancement of mankind. Let's say we discover that the Higgs boson could be harnessed as a superior particle beam treatment for cancer, we would consider this to be the medical discovery of the century.
What if Homeopathy worked via this same principle?
When a substance is diluted in homeopathy succussion is part of the process, traditionally the dilution was potentised by violent tapping on a leather bound book. What if this process collides the atoms of the remedy into sub atomic particles that exert the claimed effects at currently known scientifically impossible dilutions?
Obviously nobody would spend billions trying to find these sub atomic particles and if it were true everyone would treat themselves and medicine would be exiled to the history books.
Thoughts?

[Kryptid]

Homeopathy is a complete sham: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homeopathy

What if this process collides the atoms of the remedy into sub atomic particles that exert the claimed effects at currently known scientifically impossible dilutions?

It doesn't. The kind of forces involved in that process are nowhere near what is needed to break apart atoms. There's a reason that atom smashers are so large and consume so much electricity.

[Bored chemist]

What if Homeopathy worked via this same principle?

Homeopathy does not work.
So it can not work by any "principle".

. What if this process collides the atoms of the remedy into sub atomic particles that exert the claimed effects at currently known scientifically impossible dilutions?

You can measure the "speed" of molecules in a liquid by measuring the temperature.
If succussion  was going to have any effect, the most notable one would be that the material heated up.
The fools and fraudsters involved in making these products never report that they mysteriously boil.
And, of course...
https://xkcd.com/765/

[puppypower]

Water is held together with hydrogen bonding. While pure water allows an optimized interaction of hydrogen bonds, allowing the free energy of water to minimize. As we add organic materials, we get a water-oil affect that increases the free energy of the bulk water due to surface tension affects. If this tension gets too high, water will exclude the organics through bubbles and phase separation.

At very low concentrations of organic materials, the change in the free energy of the bulk pure water is lower than at higher organic concentrations. The increase in water free energy is an additive affect based on the concentration of the organic. The net effect is an organic medicine is under less bulk water induced free energy stress, at lower concentration.

The analogy is say you throw a party for friends and family. Everyone knows each other and everyone gets along so it is a fun and relaxed party. Say one friend brings someone nobody knows. There is some initial discomfort, but this stress soon relaxes since everyone, including the stranger, is mingling and getting with the overall program.

The more concentrated organic scenario is where too many strangers appear at the party and the initial stress at the party starts to segregate some people along familiarity lines, This can create continued tension and change the relaxed tone of the party.

Dilute and therefore more relaxed homeopathic organic medicine, more in harmony with the water's party, can have different properties due to its relaxed conformational differences.

Many medicines work by attaching to enzymes on the surface of cells. Relaxed conformations of the same molecules may align easier. Once water starts to create tension, the medicine molecules will be squeezed into conformations to make it fit the level of surface tension. The medicine may still work, but it may be slower to attach.

High concentration is like saturation bombing where you get the target by uses too many bombs,   while low concentration is precision bombing. High concentration depends on the odds of good alignment of some within a wider distribution of shapes, Low concentration depends on precise shapes with fewer units and a tighter shape distribution; cruise missiles. Both can work with the cruise missile doing less friendly damage.

[Bored chemist]

As we add organic materials, we get a water-oil affect that increases the free energy of the bulk water due to surface tension affects.

I have already pointed out that, in the great majority of cases, adding something to water will reduce the surface tension, not raise it.
It would be better if you learned.
It is also a simple scientific observation that homoeopathy does not work.
Since it doesn't work, you can't explain how it does work.

I guess that's what we should expect from someone who thinks that a 30% drop in productivity is the best economy ever.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=80578.msg615231#msg615231

[science12]

The analogy is say you throw a party for friends and family. Everyone knows each other and everyone gets along so it is a fun and relaxed party. Say one friend brings someone nobody knows. There is some initial discomfort, but this stress soon relaxes since everyone, including the stranger, is mingling and getting with the overall program.

The more concentrated organic scenario is where too many strangers appear at the party and the initial stress at the party starts to segregate some people along familiarity lines, This can create continued tension and change the relaxed tone of the party.

Dilute and therefore more relaxed homeopathic organic medicine, more in harmony with the water's party, can have different properties due to its relaxed conformational differences.

Well said. Thank you for your explanation. Homeopathy is something, that for some people is the best thing that happened to them, for some it is only a fraud. Even science isn't really sure about how homeopathic medicaments affect the body and how they operate. This article is in German, but it explains the topic well and gives you further literature to read in: https://www.arzneimittelfakten.de/homoeopathische-arzneimittel-test/ [nofollow]

[Bored chemist]

Even science isn't really sure about how homeopathic medicaments affect the body and how they operate.

Yes it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

And the simple answer is that the homoeopathic "remedies" do not do anything in the body.

[puppypower]

Another explanation has to do with transport proteins. Transport into cells is controlled by transport proteins within the external membranes of cells. These protein are very specific; lock and key, and can move very dilute solutions of materials into cells. They do not need large concentrations because they are so efficient.

The larger concentrations within standard medicines can cause secondary side affects within unrelated transport mechanisms. Homeopathic is more dilute and therefore more targeted to the  transport properties of specific enzymes; less side affects.

[Bored chemist]

Another explanation has to do with transport proteins

Explanation of what?
It can't be explaining the effects of homoeopathy- because it doesn't have any effects.

Homeopathic is more dilute and therefore more targeted to the  transport properties of specific enzymes; less side affects. to the point where there is none of the so called "active" material present, and does not work.

FTFY

Why are you posting as if homoeopathy isn't a con trick?
Are you trolling, or do you just lack the basic numeracy skills needed to recognise that it's "treatment" with nothing?

[Kryptid]

Another explanation has to do with transport proteins. Transport into cells is controlled by transport proteins within the external membranes of cells. These protein are very specific; lock and key, and can move very dilute solutions of materials into cells. They do not need large concentrations because they are so efficient.

The larger concentrations within standard medicines can cause secondary side affects within unrelated transport mechanisms. Homeopathic is more dilute and therefore more targeted to the  transport properties of specific enzymes; less side affects.

Homeopathy. Does. Not. Work.

[hamdani yusuf]

Homeopathy is classified as an alternative therapies.

How alternative therapies "work":
a) Misinterpreted natural course – the individual gets better without treatment.
b) Placebo effect or false treatment effect – an individual receives "alternative therapy" and is convinced it will help. The conviction makes them more likely to get better.
c) Nocebo effect – an individual is convinced that standard treatment will not work, and that alternative therapies will work. This decreases the likelihood standard treatment will work, while the placebo effect of the "alternative" remains.
d) No adverse effects – Standard treatment is replaced with "alternative" treatment, getting rid of adverse effects, but also of improvement.
e) Interference – Standard treatment is "complemented" with something that interferes with its effect. This can both cause worse effect, but also decreased (or even increased) side effects, which may be interpreted as "helping". Researchers, such as epidemiologists, clinical statisticians and pharmacologists, use clinical trials to reveal such effects, allowing physicians to offer a therapeutic solution best known to work. "Alternative treatments" often refuse to use trials or make it deliberately hard to do so.

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