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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #40 on: 11/11/2020 18:28:11 »
twas a night that was windy
wind that haveth no name
for old bored chemist was on his computer
answering questions again
the wind was a swirling
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only one thing to do he thought
to stop this mouses crying
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just flap eagle's wings
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For waves from a spinning
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but the waves were his own
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #41 on: 11/11/2020 18:44:48 »
What do you plan to do if/when you grow up?
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #42 on: 11/11/2020 20:51:29 »
Stop it. This is your second warning.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #43 on: 12/11/2020 12:37:27 »
Same people that believe in relativity are the same people that would never microwave a hot dog 40 years after microwaves were introduced.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #44 on: 12/11/2020 13:04:09 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 12/11/2020 12:37:27
Same people that believe in relativity are the same people that would never microwave a hot dog 40 years after microwaves were introduced.
I'm willing to bet that most large physics departments have
(1) a microwave oven for reheating food and
(2) A strong belief in relativity.

I also reckon they believed in relativity back in 2007- 40 years after the microwave oven was first available.

Why do you post ill-informed nonsense?
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #45 on: 12/11/2020 14:06:06 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/11/2020 13:04:09
I'm willing to bet that most large physics departments have
(1) a microwave oven for reheating food and
(2) A strong belief in relativity.

Do you microwave your hot dogs sir?
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #46 on: 12/11/2020 17:09:46 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 12/11/2020 14:06:06
Do you microwave your hot dogs sir?

I do, but it's irrelevant.

If you are not going to be serious, I presume that means you don't plan on contributing to a meaningful discussion. In that case, this thread has worn out its usefulness.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #47 on: 20/11/2020 16:13:37 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 12/11/2020 17:09:46
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 12/11/2020 14:06:06
Do you microwave your hot dogs sir?

I do, but it's irrelevant.

If you are not going to be serious, I presume that means you don't plan on contributing to a meaningful discussion. In that case, this thread has worn out its usefulness.

I'm the only one posting anything serious in this post
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #48 on: 20/11/2020 16:55:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/10/2020 21:26:40
But a rotating body is constantly accelerating and thus emits gravity waves.

So you argue there is a space medium for gravity waves and argue that there is no space medium for light according GR. You seem like quite the contradiction whenever you speak old man.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #49 on: 20/11/2020 17:20:56 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 16:55:09
You seem like quite the contradiction whenever you speak old man.

It's not a contradiction. Light and gravitational waves are different things.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #50 on: 20/11/2020 18:05:15 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 16:55:09
Quote from: Bored chemist on 24/10/2020 21:26:40
But a rotating body is constantly accelerating and thus emits gravity waves.

So you argue there is a space medium for gravity waves and argue that there is no space medium for light according GR. You seem like quite the contradiction whenever you speak old man.
What contradiction?
You need a physical medium for sound waves. You do not need a physical medium for light.
They are different things.
Gravity waves are different from both sound and from light.
The only "contradiction" is in your head...

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Quote from: Kryptid on 12/11/2020 17:09:46
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 12/11/2020 14:06:06
Do you microwave your hot dogs sir?

I do, but it's irrelevant.

If you are not going to be serious, I presume that means you don't plan on contributing to a meaningful discussion. In that case, this thread has worn out its usefulness.

I'm the only one posting anything serious in this post
You were the only one who posted anything in that post...
So?
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #51 on: 20/11/2020 19:11:38 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/11/2020 17:20:56
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 16:55:09
You seem like quite the contradiction whenever you speak old man.

It's not a contradiction. Light and gravitational waves are different things.

Not saying there the same things, although from what you've read and believe about them, they move at the speed of light, which is of course absurd. Meanwhile you danced right around my question of how a gravity wave perturbs a space medium, yet such a medium was declared null by GR.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #52 on: 20/11/2020 19:34:09 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 19:11:38
Not saying there the same things,
True, but you did imply that you thought they should behave the same way- which is silly, given that they ae not the same thing.
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 19:11:38
they move at the speed of light, which is of course absurd.
Obviously, it's absurd that light should travel at the speed of light.

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yet such a medium was declared null by GR.
No.
GR just said it doesn't affect light in the way people would have expected a "luminiferous ether" to do.
Again, you seem to think things should behave the same way, even though they are different things.
Spacetime in GR is not the same as Boyle's Luminiferous Ether.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #53 on: 20/11/2020 20:52:51 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 20/11/2020 19:11:38
they move at the speed of light, which is of course absurd.

Based on what reasoning?

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Meanwhile you danced right around my question of how a gravity wave perturbs a space medium, yet such a medium was declared null by GR.

I didn't dance around it. Space is not aether. Aether was a medium that was proposed to be present in all of space. Space itself is what is doing the contracting and expanding for gravitational waves. What you have constructed is a straw-man.
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Re: Gravity Waves more GR Fantasy
« Reply #54 on: 21/11/2020 05:36:52 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/11/2020 19:34:09
Obviously, it's absurd that light should travel at the speed of light.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/500620/sound-frequencies-travel-at-the-same-speed

So according to dispersion different frequency's of sound will travel at slightly different speeds, the same being true about light and its frequency's. Would you mind showing on the spectrum of EMF lies your gravitational waves which are invisible and moving at light speed according to you?
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« Reply #55 on: 21/11/2020 07:03:30 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/11/2020 05:36:52
So according to dispersion different frequency's of sound will travel at slightly different speeds, the same being true about light and its frequency's.

Light is not sound.

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Would you mind showing on the spectrum of EMF lies your gravitational waves which are invisible and moving at light speed according to you?

Gravitational waves are not on the electromagnetic spectrum.
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« Reply #56 on: 21/11/2020 13:25:04 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/11/2020 05:36:52
the spectrum of EMF
EMF doesn't have a spectrum.
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« Reply #58 on: 21/11/2020 22:19:20 »
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But a rotating body is constantly accelerating and thus emits gravity waves.
In my understanding, a symmetrical rotating object (eg a black hole, or an ellipsoidal neutron star) does not radiate gravitational waves.

However, an asymmetrical rotating object (eg a cooling & shrinking neutron star, with a "mountain chain" perhaps 10mm high) would emit gravitational waves.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave#Spinning_neutron_stars

All of the gravitational wave events discovered to date have come from the merger of bodies with a mass greater than the Sun.
- These events produce very energetic gravitational waves that can be detected from a distance of over a billion light-years
- This is far more energetic than gravitational waves you would get from a spinning neutron star.
- On the other hand, a spinning neutron star continues for many years (until it suffers a "starquake"), so future gravitational wave observatories may be able to detect asymmetrical neutron stars within our own galaxy - perhaps separating them from the background noise by Fourier analysis?.

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So according to dispersion different frequency's of sound will travel at slightly different speeds, the same being true about light and its frequency's.
What we call "The speed of light" is actually an abbreviation - it actually refers to "The speed of light in a vacuum, in my own laboratory".

But intergalactic space is not a vacuum - it has a low density of neutral Hydrogen atoms, and occasional protons, electrons and Helium atoms.

Fast Radio Bursts are very short pulses of electromagnetic energy that are emitted at many frequencies simultaneously - within 1 to 10ms.
But as they travel through the slightly ionized intergalactic medium, the low frequencies are delayed slightly more than the high frequencies: Dispersion.

So when FRBs are detected, it appears to be a short pulse at any given frequency, but that frequency sweeps downwards. The rate of sweep is dependent on the distance to the source.
See graph at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst

Dispersion is also a problem for high-speed communication over optical fibers. This is compensated by having a short length of optical fiber with "negative" dispersion, to cancel the dispersion of the bulk of the fiber. But optical fiber is not a vacuum, either.
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