[Glenballs]

they are getting millions of doses each week and vaccinating millions

There is a difference between politics, where all numbers are equal if you want them to be, and real life, where they aren't.

I have just seen the news conference with boris johnson, Simon Stevens and the head of the army involved with vaccinating. I now I'm even more certain that they will have vaccinated 13 million by mid February and even the prime minister said they will work 7 days a week and work flat out till they get the job done. So that's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned, they have even got 7 massive vaccination hubs doing the jabs nothing will go wrong it's bullet proof now. Set on stone

Twelve weeks is still longer than 5.

I'm not talking about the 2 jabs, I'm talking about them giving 1 vaccine to each 13 million people before mid February.  They aren't doing 2 because it's quicker to give 1 out to many millions of people so much faster that's why they are doing it

So, you are not actually talking about the vaccination.

This government essentially has failed to do anything right since it was elected.
Why do you imagine that this, enormously complex, project will be the one they get right?

I just know that they are definitely gonna smash this target they only have to do another 11.5 million in 39 days that's not alot really. Its going to be done in record time I think especially with the army involved aswell. How can you not be confident that it's going to happen they have got everything in place they need to, to make sure it's 100% happens I'm not doubting them at all now

[Bored chemist]

I just know

No. You just THINK...

[Glenballs]

I just know

No. You just THINK...
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Why are do you think that they won't, I'm trying to see what could possibly stop them doing it and I can't see it unless I'm missing something. Here's how I see it. They have the vaccine in the hundreds of thousands soon to be millions a week, they have all the manpower possible like army, GPS, football stadia, massive hubs, St John's ambulance, volunteers, people coming out of retirement. If that doesn't tell you that it will be mission accomplished nothing will

[Bored chemist]

they have got everything in place they need

The ONLY thing they need is a competent government; but they don't have that.
It's possible that handing the job to the army might get it done but there's still no guarantee.

[Glenballs]

they have got everything in place they need

The ONLY thing they need is a competent government; but they don't have that.
It's possible that handing the job to the army might get it done but there's still no guarantee.

What percentage do you think they will do it then

[Glenballs]

they have got everything in place they need

The ONLY thing they need is a competent government; but they don't have that.
It's possible that handing the job to the army might get it done but there's still no guarantee.

so what is your gut feeling that they will do it absolutely? or do you still have your doubts?

[Bored chemist]

One of the biggest problems they face is simple; not everyone wants it.

[Glenballs]

One of the biggest problems they face is simple; not everyone wants it.

they will still get to that target i guarantee it

[Bored chemist]

i guarantee it

No, you don't.
You are not in any position to offer any guarantee.

[Glenballs]

i guarantee it

No, you don't.
You are not in any position to offer any guarantee.

i know then they will hit it but what ive heard and seen and all the prepiration in place

[Bored chemist]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/07/hancock-hails-oxford-covid-vaccine-london-surgery-yet-receive-any-doses?fbclid=IwAR1LD1MzMJ4lhI95b3ZvL8fv46nRJl3pwmKttCQZlZvni63utJ1KzDDtlLo

[Glenballs]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/07/hancock-hails-oxford-covid-vaccine-london-surgery-yet-receive-any-doses?fbclid=IwAR1LD1MzMJ4lhI95b3ZvL8fv46nRJl3pwmKttCQZlZvni63utJ1KzDDtlLo

I will tell you why that happened because the vaccine has only just started to be rolled out, but boris johnson and Simon Stevens said today there will be lumps and bumps to begin with but then it will flatten and they will blitz the vaccine all over the country to the vulnerable like no tomorrow, it won't be long before they've hit 5 million, then 7.5 million, then 10 million and then the big one 13 million and boris even said they might be able to do even more than that after aswell

[Kryptid]

I can't help but wonder why you are pushing this so much. If you feel so confident about it, then why continue this discussion? It kind of seems like you are looking for validation. In other words, it seems like you are trying to convince yourself by convincing others.

[alancalverd]

He is of course absolutely right. 13 > 10 > 7.5 > 5 is undeniable, "it won't be long" is meaningless, and vaccinating the vulnerable won't stop the spread of the virus.

I think we have a politician in our midst.

[Glenballs]

He is of course absolutely right. 13 > 10 > 7.5 > 5 is undeniable, and "it won't be long" is meaningless.

I think we have a politician in our midst.

Once all the sites they have got in place start vaccinating, there won't be any stopping them and with the army joining aswell they certainly know how to get the job done

[alancalverd]

The original question concerned the length of time required to stop wearing masks and social distancing. This will not occur before at least 80% of the population has received 2 doses of vaccine at least 3 weeks apart, so that's 107 million shots plus 3 weeks, by which time we will probably have to start revaccination as there is no evidence of continuing immunity and the virus is mutating all the time. So even by the government's most optimistic short term goal, we are looking at mid summer before it is safe to go unmasked and hug a stranger.

Problem is that there is no evidence of the will and competence required to do the job properly, and every likelihood that the  Idiots in Charge will relax quarantine rules as soon as the first couple of priority groups have received their first shot, with the inevitable consequence of a continuing rise in infections and more money down the drain.   

[Bored chemist]

And what about the chances of the remaining 11.5 million most vulnerable people being vaccinated before mid February, can you explain please

I think he already explained:

Problem is that there is no evidence of the will and competence required to do the job properly,

[alancalverd]

I just opened the thread in response to a moderation request, and noticed reply #155.

I think my epitaph will be "I told you so".