[Jolly2 (OP)]

So I was recently watching an interview with Owen Jones, there was a discussion about the Astro-zentica vaccine, originally the team at Oxford that were developing the vaccine wanted to leave the vaccine open source effectively copy left, so that any country could use the information and knowledge to produce the vaccine themselves.
Bill Gates and the Gates foundation moved in, and the vaccine is now patented and behind a pay wall.

Mr Gates has publicly before boosted that he has achieved a 20 to 1 return on investment in vaccines. Since his move into world health he has effectively doubled his net wealth.

So the question is given the original intention of the Oxford team was to produce a vaccine that was open source that any country could produce, and so would help vaccinate everyone during this pandemic. Surely the Gates foundation actions have literally put private ownership ahead of the well being of the entire planet.


India has apparently approached the WTO and asked that copy right be dropped for vaccine technology during the pandemic so that patient rights do not interfere with the vaccine roll out yet, western companies are along with western governments resisting the idea.

Surely this pandemic is one time, people like Bill Gates and the big pharma companies should be putting profit out of the equation?

[Bored chemist]

Assuming this is true, what did Bill Gates have to do with it?

Why did the Oxon/ AZ team give him the rights?
Was it, by any chance money?
If so, the problem isn't the Gates foundation; it's capitalism

Also, why bother to post that video?
Nobody is likely to watch for an hour just to find out what you are on about.

[alancalverd]

OAZ was given $750 million by two charities supported by the Gates Foundation, to accelerate production and distribution of the vaccine. They also

struck a licensing partnership with the Serum Institute of India (SII), the world's largest manufacturer of vaccines by volume, for 1 billion doses of the vaccine earmarked for low- and middle-income countries.

You can't license someone to do something without specifying what that something is, which is what a patent does. Because a patent involves total disclosure of a process, it absolves the inventor and his licensees from liability if someone makes a duff copy or sells holy water claiming it to be the original. Fake medicine is big business, and patents provide the only protection for legitimate manufacturers and patients. "Open source" is inviting disaster.

The Gates Foundation has not made any direct payment to OAZ. If Bill or anyone else has personally invested in the company, why not? The shares are on the open market.

[charles1948]

Is Bill Gates just a decoy, to distract your attention from what is really happening?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Is Bill Gates just a decoy, to distract your attention from what is really happening?

Oh what is really happening?

[Petrochemicals]

Are not all these vaccines" not for profit" ?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Are not all these vaccines" not for profit" ?

Well Mr Gates isnt a philanthropist,  he is an investor.

There are of course actual philanthropists that do actually give to charity

[alancalverd]

Like the Gates Foundation, which supports the two charities backing OAZ's not-for-profit vaccine. But obviously the Gates Foundation gets its money by robbing the poor, Elvis lives on the other side of the moon, and Joe Biden is a lizard with the power to change postal votes by telepathy.

[Petrochemicals]

Are not all these vaccines" not for profit" ?

Well Mr Gates isnt a philanthropist,  he is an investor.

There are of course actual philanthropists that do actually give to charity

That does not answer the question.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

A discussion on the eugenics links to the Oxford Astra.zenica vaccine.

Hosted by James Corbett

[charles1948]

I'm not having anybody inject fluids into my body.  Unless it's by traditional methods.  Not needles.

[alancalverd]

Corbett: Not a good idea to open with a lie. It kind of stimulates the listener to question the motives and qualifications of the speakers, which are not stated. Everything from there on seems to be biased speculation. Self-reference does not add credibility to an argument, as I said in my paper of 1986, which I quoted in my address of 1997.

Charles: I was going to suggest you get that tattooed on your neck, just in case anyone is tempted to save your life with an injection of anything, ever. Is a tattoo needle sufficiently traditional for you?

[charles1948]

Charles: I was going to suggest you get that tattooed on your neck, just in case anyone is tempted to save your life with an injection of anything, ever. Is a tattoo needle sufficiently traditional for you?

Thanks Alan. What I was getting at, was a more biologically traditional method of fluid insertion. I cannot explain further. as you might be shocked.  Let's leave it at that.

Now, back to the Science!

[alancalverd]

You can still get a tattoo. Problem is that blood plasma, adrenalin and insulin are not effective per anum. An enema might be fun but isn't on the usual list of emergency lifesaving procedures, except for drug mules.

[Zer0]

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/06/billionaires-who-wont-leave-their-fortunes-to-their-kids.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16154023238255&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2017%2F07%2F06%2Fbillionaires-who-wont-leave-their-fortunes-to-their-kids.html

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[Kryptid]

I know this topic was locked, but I just wanted to add that anything James Corbett says needs to be taken with a grain of salt: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Corbett