[Kryptid]

"US and British intelligence officials suspect bungling scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology accidentally spread the killer disease during risky coronavirus tests on bats."

...and that somehow leads you to believe COVID started at Fort Detrick?

[Bored chemist]

The delay could imply certian interests do not want the truth to come out and are stalling the process.

That would be consistent with the authors not wanting to look foolish.

[Bored chemist]

Ask them.

I don't even know who "they" are.

You just Google officials claim covid lab created.

The sun:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11511043/wuhan-lab-blamed-for-coronavirus-lied-about-safety-precautions-it-took-during-controversial-bat-tests/

"US and British intelligence officials suspect bungling scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology accidentally spread the killer disease during risky coronavirus tests on bats."

Also The Sun.
https://www.inpublishing.co.uk/articles/e28098freddie-starr-ate-my-hamster-crowned-the-suns-most-iconic-cover-14939

It's not evidence, it's a comic.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

"US and British intelligence officials suspect bungling scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology accidentally spread the killer disease during risky coronavirus tests on bats."

...and that somehow leads you to believe COVID started at Fort Detrick?

No you obviously have not read the rest of the thread.

What leads me to suspect fort Detrick is that it was closed by the CDC in July 2019, for mishandling atleast 6 different biological weapons materials, there were also leaks into water supplies.

This closuse was 2 weeks after a nursing home in Virginia had an outbreak of a respiratory infection.

 I suspect the investigation into the nursing home outbreak, lead to the closure of fort Detrick. The closure of fort Detrick happened 2 weeks after the outbreak occurred.

The nursing home is a 4 mile drive, maybe someone from fort Detrick had a family member there.

But as we dont know how long this miss managed had been going on and how long agents had been escaping.

A potential release of covid could have made it's way to the elderly home naturally over a course of weeks, 80% show mild to no symptoms with covid, there is up to a month incubation.

If it was covid at the old peoples home they would have probably caught it 2 weeks prior to the out break.

But under national security American isnt releasing what they know.

[Bored chemist]

there is circumstancal evidence it may have come from fort Detrick

Really?
What?

So, you think the fact that it was closed means they were managing to create a stupid choice for a bioweapon, and then get it to China where it spread .

OK, how do you imagine they smuggled a lethal virus into a biohazard lab in a hostile country?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

there is circumstancal evidence it may have come from fort Detrick

Really?
What?

So, you think the fact that it was closed means they were managing to create a stupid choice for a bioweapon, and then get it to China where it spread .

OK, how do you imagine they smuggled a lethal virus into a biohazard lab in a hostile country?

At the wuhan games with Asymptomatic soldiers who competed

[Kryptid]

And somehow, the pandemic started in China instead of in Maryland. Right.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

And somehow, the pandemic started in China instead of in Maryland. Right.

No if this is true the outbreak started in the old peoples home. The American authorities new it was active but kept it quiet.

With 80% being Asymptomatic,  and the misdiagnose of it simply being a bad case of the flu...

Wuhan games was in October,  the outbreak in the old peoples home started in the end of June beginning of July. That's 3 months before the games. They only had to keep it quiet for 3 months.

[Kryptid]

if this is true

That's the big "if", isn't it? What's the evidence that COVID cases started in the US before they started in China?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

if this is true

That's the big "if", isn't it? What's the evidence that COVID cases started in the US before they started in China?

Good luck, under national security,  America isn't releasing the information. About what was mishandled or what escaped.

All good and well basing a postion on evidence when people seek to hide evidence.  America should be fourth comming to rule out the possibility.

If it's TRUE it's on Trump.

[Kryptid]

Good luck, under national security,  America isn't releasing the information. About what was mishandled or what escaped.

All good and well basing a postion on evidence when people seek to hide evidence.  America should be fourth comming to rule out the possibility.

Let's see, there are two scenarios that can explain the publicly-available evidence:

Scenario 1: Those cases weren't COVID, but some other illness.

Scenario 2: The cases were COVID, but the government covered it up.

Scenario 1 makes fewer assumptions, and as such, is favored by Occam's razor.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Good luck, under national security,  America isn't releasing the information. About what was mishandled or what escaped.

All good and well basing a postion on evidence when people seek to hide evidence.  America should be fourth comming to rule out the possibility.

Let's see, there are two scenarios that can explain the publicly-available evidence:

Scenario 1: Those cases weren't COVID, but some other illness.

Scenario 2: The cases were COVID, but the government covered it up.

Scenario 1 makes fewer assumptions, and as such, is favored by Occam's razor.

Well there is also this

https://nypost.com/2020/12/01/covid-19-was-likely-in-us-weeks-earlier-than-thought-study/

"The scientists based their conclusion off routine blood samples collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states between Dec. 13, 2019, and Jan. 17.

Those blood samples were tested at the CDC — and evidence of coronavirus antibodies was found in 106 out of the 7,389 blood donations analyzed, the study says."

When they caught covid isnt clear,  the analysis is based on the assumption covid started in wuhan

[Kryptid]

And that's evidence that it came from Fort Detrick, how?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

And that's evidence that it came from Fort Detrick, how?

They took blood samples from 9 states in December 2019 through to January,  106 people had antibodies. We dont know when they caught it. But given that the time needed for the body to produce antibodies, at a minimum they would have caught covid in November,  exactly the same time the pandemic started in China. There was no "pandemic until Chinese doctors identified the virus, before its identification it would have been labelled flu.

There is another point millions of Americans have no health care they cant go to a doctor.  Unlike China where everyone is treated. Hence many people that caught a new viral infection in America would never be noticed

So its evidence that covid could have been in America first.

As for fort Detrick being the sourse, there is evidence to suggest it's possible.

[Kryptid]

But given that the time needed for the body to produce antibodies, at a minimum they would have caught covid in November,  exactly the same time the pandemic started in China.

Which doesn't rule out that it started in China. It certainly isn't evidence that it came from some kind of Fort Detrick mishap.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

But given that the time needed for the body to produce antibodies, at a minimum they would have caught covid in November,  exactly the same time the pandemic started in China.

Which doesn't rule out that it started in China. It certainly isn't evidence that it came from some kind of Fort Detrick mishap.

The wuhan lab had no mishap, fort Detrick did.

But no it doesnt entirely rule out China, yet, it would mean the virus started at the same time in both counties, which is unlikely.

[Kryptid]

The wuhan lab had no mishap, fort Detrick did.

So? That's not evidence that COVID had anything to do with Fort Detrick.

which is unlikely.

So are you arguing that it started at the same time in both countries or not? If not, then what is your evidence that it started in the US before China?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

The wuhan lab had no mishap, fort Detrick did.

So? That's not evidence that COVID had anything to do with Fort Detrick.

Also not evidence it didn't. But a bioweapom escaping from a laboratory that had a mishap is more likely then it escaping from one that didn't.

which is unlikely.

So are you arguing that it started at the same time in both countries or not? If not, then what is your evidence that it started in the US before China?

The evidence suggests it started at the same time. As that is unlikely,  and as some scientists have suggested covid came from a laboratory. Fort Detrick is a far more likely contender.

[Kryptid]

Also not evidence it didn't.

Just like there isn't evidence that COVID didn't begin at Area 51?

The evidence suggests it started at the same time. As that is unlikely,  and as some scientists have suggested covid came from a laboratory. Fort Detrick is a far more likely contender.

How does "it started at the same time" somehow point to "it came from a lab"?

[charles1948]

Some posters on here seem determined to blame the USA for everything.

Why do they do it?  Have they been brainwashed by left-wing propaganda?

I mean, it seems obvious that Covid-19 is of Chinese origin. Either from a Chinese lab, or one of their disgusting "wet markets" which sell bats and pangolins to eat.