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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #160 on: 28/02/2021 17:39:39 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 12:01:14
They should just check the name she checked.

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Santa Cruz County Clerk Gail Pellerin looked into the claims and says no one was registered in the county by the name of Maggie Magoo Vela.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #161 on: 28/02/2021 17:41:36 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 28/02/2021 14:14:03
I repeat:  did the dog vote in person or fill in a postal ballot form?

We don't know, the women who made the claim said she checked and her dog had voted.  How that vote was cast I'm not sure she mentioned. Could rewatch the video but I cant be bothered.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #162 on: 28/02/2021 17:43:46 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/02/2021 17:39:39
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 12:01:14
They should just check the name she checked.

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Santa Cruz County Clerk Gail Pellerin looked into the claims and says no one was registered in the county by the name of Maggie Magoo Vela.

No Kryptid, the county clerk checked that name. The women said she checked and the dog had, ergo maybe the name the owner checked wasn't Maggie Magoo Vela, maybe it was Maggie Vela, or Maggie Magoo or Magoo Vela.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #163 on: 28/02/2021 17:46:04 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:41:36
We don't know, the women who made the claim said she checked and her dog had voted. 
And Trump said he would build a wall and the Mexicans would pay.

Are you aware that some people tell lies?
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #164 on: 28/02/2021 17:48:04 »
If she didn't know whether the dog had voted in person or by post, she should be prosecuted for not keeping the dog under control.

And if she knew the dog had voted previously, she has conspired to conceal evidence of electoral fraud.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #165 on: 28/02/2021 18:18:01 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/02/2021 17:46:04
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:41:36
We don't know, the women who made the claim said she checked and her dog had voted.
And Trump said he would build a wall and the Mexicans would pay.

Are you aware that some people tell lies?

Trump would've built the wall, if he hadn't been stopped from doing it.

I mean, if you promise to do something, then someone else stops you doing it, does that mean you told a lie?
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #166 on: 28/02/2021 18:21:33 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/02/2021 18:18:01
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/02/2021 17:46:04
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:41:36
We don't know, the women who made the claim said she checked and her dog had voted.
And Trump said he would build a wall and the Mexicans would pay.

Are you aware that some people tell lies?

Trump would've built the wall, if he hadn't been stopped from doing it.

I mean, if you promise to do something, then someone else stops you doing it, does that mean you told a lie?
It was always impossible that it would be true.
So, if I promise to jump over the moon (Knowing that I can't) , it doesn't matter if, for example, I get jailed for something and am prevented from pretending to try, I am still a liar for claiming that I could do it.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #167 on: 28/02/2021 18:50:45 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 27/02/2021 21:48:08
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/02/2021 15:38:04
Quote from: Jolly2 on 26/02/2021 19:27:50
"a woman saying her service dog microchp ID number was used as a Social Security number to register the pet and vote.

So did the dog vote in person or fill in a postal ballot form? Either way, he should be in a circus, or maybe the space program.

My grandmother used to cover the kitchen floor with newspaper whenever we left the dog in the house. One day she ran back and turned all the pages over. I asked why and she said "He can't read but he likes to look at the pictures."

Probably a good use for the papers

Max Blumenthal reports on how Britian is running a covert propaganda operation, MI6 has over 15,000 journalists employed to lie to readers. Both the BBC and Reuters are involved along with many other media outlets.  They have atleast 400 journalists active inside Russia that were trained by Mi6 in London .
To quote Max "everything they are acusing Russia of doing, they(Britian) are doing times 10 over"
Looks like YouTube or someone has blocked the video, you can still find the report by Max Blumenthal on his site.

https://orinocotribune.com/reuters-bbc-and-bellingcat-participated-in-covert-uk-foreign-office-funded-programs-to-weaken-russia-leaked-docs-reveal/

"In several proposals to the British Foreign Office, Reuters boasted of a global influence network of 15,000 journalists and staff, including 400 inside Russia."


In 2019, the FCO put forward a similar initiative, this time articulating a more aggressive plan to “counter the Russian government’s narrative and domination of the media and information space.” In effect, the British government was seeking to infiltrate Russian media and propagate its own narrative through an influence network of Russian journalists trained in the UK.

In its first bid, the media giant boasted of establishing a global network of 15,000 journalists and bloggers through “capacity building interventions.” In Russia, it claimed at least 400 journalists had been cultivated through its training programs
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Video is back up
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #168 on: 28/02/2021 18:51:52 »
@ BC#166:  Surely your Moon/Mexican-wall analogy is invalid.

If you claimed you could "jump over the Moon", you'd be an obvious liar.  As Science would rule it out.

Whereas if you claimed you could build a wall on the US border with Mexico, Science wouldn't rule it out.

Isn't that right?
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #169 on: 28/02/2021 18:55:20 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/02/2021 18:21:33
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/02/2021 18:18:01
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/02/2021 17:46:04
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:41:36
We don't know, the women who made the claim said she checked and her dog had voted.
And Trump said he would build a wall and the Mexicans would pay.

Are you aware that some people tell lies?

Trump would've built the wall, if he hadn't been stopped from doing it.

I mean, if you promise to do something, then someone else stops you doing it, does that mean you told a lie?
It was always impossible that it would be true.
So, if I promise to jump over the moon (Knowing that I can't) , it doesn't matter if, for example, I get jailed for something and am prevented from pretending to try, I am still a liar for claiming that I could do it.

Its clear Trump wanted to build the wall, and was hampered from doing so, that is clear. So he wasn't lying when he said that he wanted to build one.

I always saw the line that 'Mexico would pay for it' as a headline grabbing Joke, I never took that idea seriously, I always saw that as a Trump Joke, which is how he meant it, the same is the case with locking up Hilary Clinton,  he said he would as a joke to grab headlines, it was never serious,  why Trump said "locking up Hillary played well before the election, now we won we don't care right?"

Of course if Trump actually had got Mexico to pay for the wall and managed to put Hillary Clinton in prison both jokes would have been funnier.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #170 on: 28/02/2021 19:08:04 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 18:55:20
Its clear Trump wanted to build the wall,
No it isn't.
It may simply be the case that he knew he could win votes by saying that he wanted to (and that Mexico would pay) even though he must have known that it was stupid.

Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 18:55:20
I never took that idea seriously,
Some did.
And Trump knew they would, and that they would vote for him because of it.
Which makes it a deliberate lie.

And he's still telling it.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-2020-conservative-political-action-conference-national-harbor-md/
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #171 on: 28/02/2021 19:41:00 »
Aren't all politicians liars?

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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #172 on: 28/02/2021 20:38:14 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/02/2021 19:41:00
Aren't all politicians liars?
Not always.
Trump didn't do anything else.

He took lying to another level.
He's the only one where it was worth compiling a wiki page to look at his dishonesty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #173 on: 01/03/2021 02:00:04 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:43:46
No Kryptid, the county clerk checked that name. The women said she checked and the dog had, ergo maybe the name the owner checked wasn't Maggie Magoo Vela, maybe it was Maggie Vela, or Maggie Magoo or Magoo Vela.

Check out this article by Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dog-voted-presidential-election/

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The woman furthered that her dog was registered to vote using its microchip number that had inexplicably been converted to a Social Security number. According to the Los Angeles Department of Animal Services, a microchip is a nine-digit number just like a Social Security card — but the woman did not provide either number or a birthdate, making it impossible for us to verify whether there was a registered voter by that name in California.

When she supposedly asked for the “voting place” to look for her dog’s file under its name, “Maggie Vela,” the woman was told that her dog had “already voted” under a mail-in ballot. But the woman never provided the registration number, name, or birthdate of her dog, so it is impossible to look up the voter card.

If her claim is true and she really wanted this matter to be properly investigated, then you would think that she would have tried to help by providing the needed information. So all we have is her word. That's it. She said that she couldn't even access the e-mail that supposedly notified her of the dog's vote, so we don't have anything objective to support her claim.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #174 on: 01/03/2021 16:07:52 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 01/03/2021 02:00:04
Quote from: Jolly2 on 28/02/2021 17:43:46
No Kryptid, the county clerk checked that name. The women said she checked and the dog had, ergo maybe the name the owner checked wasn't Maggie Magoo Vela, maybe it was Maggie Vela, or Maggie Magoo or Magoo Vela.

Check out this article by Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dog-voted-presidential-election/

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The woman furthered that her dog was registered to vote using its microchip number that had inexplicably been converted to a Social Security number. According to the Los Angeles Department of Animal Services, a microchip is a nine-digit number just like a Social Security card — but the woman did not provide either number or a birthdate, making it impossible for us to verify whether there was a registered voter by that name in California.

When she supposedly asked for the “voting place” to look for her dog’s file under its name, “Maggie Vela,” the woman was told that her dog had “already voted” under a mail-in ballot. But the woman never provided the registration number, name, or birthdate of her dog, so it is impossible to look up the voter card.

If her claim is true and she really wanted this matter to be properly investigated, then you would think that she would have tried to help by providing the needed information.

I agree.

Quote from: Kryptid on 01/03/2021 02:00:04
So all we have is her word. That's it. She said that she couldn't even access the e-mail that supposedly notified her of the dog's vote, so we don't have anything objective to support her claim.

Yes,  still it does show up the other reporting that stated they checked and it was false. The reports never listed not enough evidence to know they made claims that the suggestion had been investigated and proven false, which is actually fake news.

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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #175 on: 01/03/2021 18:34:27 »
So, 4 pages on, and no actual evidence of a rigged election.
Perhaps we could close the thread.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #176 on: 01/03/2021 18:45:58 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/02/2021 18:18:01
Trump would've built the wall, if he hadn't been stopped from doing it.
Nobody stopped him. Quite a bit if it is still there. Problem with a boundary wall, of course, is that it is useless until it is complete. Or somebody invents the ladder.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #177 on: 01/03/2021 19:42:14 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/03/2021 18:45:58
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/02/2021 18:18:01
Trump would've built the wall, if he hadn't been stopped from doing it.
Nobody stopped him. Quite a bit if it is still there. Problem with a boundary wall, of course, is that it is useless until it is complete. Or somebody invents the ladder.
Or an aeroplane.
That's part of the fundamental problem.
Trump promised to do something which is a really stupid idea.
So, either he knew that- and he lied to get elected  in which case his election was fraudulent.
Of he didn't know it, in which case he is far too stupid to elect to a position of power.

Jolly still supports him.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #178 on: 01/03/2021 21:17:48 »
Quote from: Jolly2 on 01/03/2021 16:07:52
The reports never listed not enough evidence to know they made claims that the suggestion had been investigated and proven false, which is actually fake news.

Enough of an investigation was done to show that it was highly unlikely. They looked up the dog's name and didn't find it. If they didn't look up the right name, she doesn't seem to have tried correcting them on the matter. She can't provide any documentation for her claims. The entire story rings of falsehood.

In either case, this was apparently an isolated event. If there were enough false votes based on pet ID numbers to influence the results of the election, it would have been found by the authorities who investigated it.
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Re: Final evidence of a rigged election in 2020?
« Reply #179 on: 01/03/2021 23:43:39 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 01/03/2021 21:17:48
Quote from: Jolly2 on 01/03/2021 16:07:52
The reports never listed not enough evidence to know they made claims that the suggestion had been investigated and proven false, which is actually fake news.

Enough of an investigation was done to show that it was highly unlikely. They looked up the dog's name and didn't find it. If they didn't look up the right name, she doesn't seem to have tried correcting them on the matter. She can't provide any documentation for her claims. The entire story rings of falsehood.

In either case, this was apparently an isolated event. If there were enough false votes based on pet ID numbers to influence the results of the election, it would have been found by the authorities who investigated it.

As your previous post suggested I agree that she should have helped an investigation,  maybe she had no faith in one.
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