[Bored chemist]

when I say bioresonance here I mean how the body is recognizing the natural vs synthetic cbd,

But that simply does not happen.
They are the same.

[Bored chemist]

And I'm also intrigued to hear the OP's response to this.
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indeed is conflict of interest,
No it isn't.
It's just prejudice on your part.
Can you explain why there's a conflict of interest rather than just bias on your part?

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Kryptid  @Bored chemist  You should be aware that particle physics is in big vacuum thus bioresonance dont needs to work as You expect [1] tho my logic in this respect is just assumption but this dont means we should dismiss such variable for which think in time there will be new spectrometers that will evaluate what I am proposing, altho for this first we need focus on alternative theories aside from particle physics and then after new measuring instruments ...

as I said defacto there are discrepancies in the studies altho first we should see how big they are, still think there are scarcity of studies that show negative effects, and as I said either they are due to synthetic cbd or the same are big'pharma skewing of the results, think I've already shared this analogy about the meat industry [1]

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@Bored chemist I know is more than unpolite from me to state that You are biased, but believe me I've seen even stranger examples like fake bipartisan idolatry where people bow in front of some political entity just because local belongingness, what about here where You are part of the system, altho this dont means You are per'se biased but lets say more than skeptical, what in the end could only demotivate people to go after broad debate, eg. Bio_Man from BiFo is way openminded [1] and You should be too ...

[Bored chemist]

@Bored chemist I know is more than unpolite to from me to state that You are biased, but believe me I've seen even fake bipartisan idolatry where people bow in from some political entity just because local belongingness, what about here where You are part of the system, altho this dont means You are per'se biased but lets say more than skeptical, what in the end could only demotivate people to go after broad debate, eg. Bio_Man from BiFo is way too openminded [1] and You should be too ...

It's not that you are being "impolite".
It's that you are being stupid.
I don't work in the pharmaceutical industry, and I never have.

So, as I said, all you are doing is showing that you are absurdly biased. You were too sure of what you believed (for no reason) to actually check it.

[Bored chemist]

You should be aware that particle physics is in big vacuum thus bioresonance dont needs to work as You expect

Nonsense
The obvious use of resonance of particles in biological systems is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

They don't do that in a vacuum.

[Bored chemist]

they are due to synthetic cbd

You still seem not to understand that synthetic and natural CBD are the same thing.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Bored chemist  stupidity comes form ignorance, but I've didnt ignored your statement that You are pharmaceutical chemist [1] so after this kind of rude response by You it will be waste of time any further ontopic debate with You ... You miss the vacuum point btw ...

[Kryptid]

The behavior of electrons is very well understood. The properties of an electron abide by a strict set of rules governed by quantum mechanics. Its properties do not change just because it is in a synthetic molecule. If synthetic molecules actually had different properties from identical molecules of natural origin, then we would have discovered that there was a difference a very long time ago. For example, we would have noticed a difference in the pH, density, viscosity, boiling point etc. between synthetic water and natural water.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Kryptid we are going too offtopic in this thread, anyway in my opinion if the standard model of particle physics is dead then we are not understanding electrons very well, but even if the artificial cbd has the same effect still then stays the question how so there are contrary findings in some studies, for me accepting that this is solely to corporate skim is not enough ...

... yet even if there was risk till now many would have died coz smoking or eating Cannabis, and as I know there is not even one such public or experimental example, what on other hand we cant say is case with vaxing, so if official CBD immunization due to lack of academic determinism cant be delivered as free prescription that dont means it should be illegal as personal homegrown remedy ..

still I am not convinced that there is even academic problem but few studies that that are contradictory, thats why we need global scientific CBD eforum so this would be leveled, anyway even now there is shameful acceptance but how else this to become norm that scientific and public pressure so governments will accept to give people alternative immunization choice ...
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[Bored chemist]

stupidity comes form ignorance

And you stupidly mistook my qualifications for my job.
And you stupidly assumed that I am biased because of something which isn't even true.
And you stupidly think that synthetic CBD is different from the natural stuff.

But you should now be less ignorant- because several people have told you that you are wrong.
Yet you keep on pretending that they are different.

So, it seems that, even without ignorance, you can still be stupid.

You miss the vacuum point

You didn't seem to have a point to make.

When you have finished making it properly, the natural and synthetic CBD will still be the same.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Bored chemist how You become angry and disrespectful says big time how biased You are, if I was the topic of this thread I'll understand Your emotional burst, but now I can just say You are intentionally derailing the debate in personal confrontation ... even if my opinion was not true regarding Your bias still that dont means that You should start behaving as neanderthal !!! look coz You are long time member on NaSci I'll apologize that I provoke your ignorance to become also emotionally armored, and like guest I'll just rest from further debate with You, Please dont respond to me and dont expect response even if You find important to reply ...

[Bored chemist]

disrespectful

That's a big word from the man who said

yes career man have nothing to loose a  what to say careerism usually is conformistic and swap normal reason with corporative or institutional even both as plutocratic hug nowadays  so I can understand why by Your measure CBD should not be free prescribed, but think most of the People would reasoning otherwise ...

It's also disrespectful of you to ignore the real science that others have been putting forward here.

Face it, there's no reason to suppose that CBD would do a good job.

[Kryptid]

Cut it out with the arguing.

By the way, it would be highly inappropriate to say that the Standard Model is dead. It would be more accurate to say that it is incomplete (in part because it doesn't incorporate gravity). Those things that the Standard Model does explain, it explains very well. Besides, my point about synthetic water and natural water having the exact same properties still stands even if the Standard Model is wrong.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Kryptid hm if the "prime" dynamo of some theory dont works the car should be pushed to jump start or even worst every time it will stop, I'll better walk and conserve energy than constantly wasting time to transport myself like that, for sure I'll try other transport mode eg. bicycle ... please open new thread we can debate why SM is dead ...

anyway, I am glad You brought the h2o analogy, You know recently through research in desert conditions it is found that plant intake of water is 80% (otherwise 20% as I remember) if the water is magnetized i.e. the rearangement of the moleculs as crystal latice was more symmetric thus the plants were recognizing it as useful (my emphasis) [1][1][1] thus it could be said the same for CBD its one thing how the body is using it as natural bond of endocanabinoids in/from the plant rather plain substance, most probably already the bioresonance effect made the bond probably acceptable as Natural CBD for the body, anyway if it is healing plant why to be illegal? just imagine Honey to be illegal how stupid would be that, altho Honey isnt even close to the potential of natural Cannabis Sativa ...

... altho I assume also that there are other factors that we are missing around the natural substances that still the science are not taking them in account but as I said for what we need different theories an bioresonant one and proper instruments for it, still knowing how even small changes in the electron position change the behavior of elements we shouldnt dismiss that in synthetic production of CBD there is potential negative glitch in this respect, yet I'll need first to get knowledgeable on that process of manufacturing which is not at all public so I would comment further what can go wrong on such level ...

[Bored chemist]

You know recently through research in desert conditions it is found that plant intake of water is 80% (otherwise 20% as I remember) if the water is magnetized

That isn't research, it is pseudoscience (at best).

altho I assume also that there are other factors that we are missing around the natural substances that still the science are not taking them in account

It's not that "still the science are not taking them in account", science looked very carefully at the idea that natural and man-made things were different.

It was called "vitalism".
And it was debunked a century or two ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism#Criticism

So I invite you to catch up with 19th century science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_W%C3%B6hler#Organic_chemistry


Stop imagining that synthetic CBD is different from the natural product.
And also face up to the reality that it is unlikely to be any good as a defence against covid.

[alancalverd]

What you eat, drink, smoke, snort or sell to others is of no scientific medical or political interest. If you have a product that you have proved prevents or alleviates disease, and you can supply it in quality-controlled quantity, I'm sure the regulatory authorities will be pleased to consider it and governments will be happy to purchase it if recommended.

[Kryptid]

hm if the "prime" dynamo of some theory dont works...

The "prime dynamo" of the Standard Model works just fine.

if the water is magnetized

Is this the kind of "magnetized water" you are talking about? https://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html

Please provide a link to a peer-reviewed scientific publication if you are going to claim that plants grow better with "magnetized water" than regular water. If you can't find one, then what good evidence is there that it exists or works at all? Please keep in mind that independent experiments and anecdotes are poor evidence in science.

most probably already the bioresonance effect

I'm pretty sure "bioresonance" is not accepted science. What you have linked to appears to be a protein activated by photons. That can be explained with existing biology and physics. There is no need to invoke something like "bioresonance".

for what we need different theories

I don't see why we do. Quantum physics explains molecular behavior just fine.

still knowing how even small changes in the electron position change the behavior of elements we shouldnt dismiss that in synthetic production of CBD there is potential negative glitch in this respect,

Electrons don't have different positions in two identical molecules. Again, quantum physics places very tight controls on an electron's placement in a molecule. If natural molecules and synthetic molecules had slightly different electron configurations, then they would look different in spectrometers. Again, this is something we would have discovered a very long time ago if it was true.

If there are differences between studies of natural and synthetic CBD, then the most likely explanations for this are:

(1) Different experimental procedures between different studies.
(2) Possible contaminants present or absent between different studies.
(3) A significant difference between the populations that were studied on in terms of age, genetics, health, etc.
(4) Errors or bias in methodology.

It is massively more likely that these are one of the culprits rather than quantum physics (which is extremely well-supported by experimental evidence) being wrong.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Kryptid probably You didnt check the links in the footnotes, You have nice debate in the researchgate link so magnetized water works as expected, by your measure tho pseudoscience is also CBD efficiency as natural immunization altho there are extra amount of studies that confirms its positive effects ...

... I'll accept that You will not be able to grasp Masaru Emoto bioresonance approach [1] but trying to "debunk" magnetic water because there are not enough studies is the same prejudice that rolled on with CBD earlier two decades ago, tho as we can see someone is still blocking or postponing its public pedestal ...

for SM what to say, saying You are driving car like that is pointing that only effect from that is the license in your pocket, but Please open new thread and we will examine how long such license will stay in your pocket, sometimes its really pointless to argue about implanted scientific trends which time long ago expired but because scientific elitism or funding purposes are still kept in artificially induced coma ...

[Bored chemist]

You will not be able to grasp Masaru Emoto bioresonance approach

I can grasp his approach well enough.
Write nonsense and sell books.

"Masaru Emoto (江本 勝, Emoto Masaru, July 22, 1943 – October 17, 2014)[1] was a Japanese businessman, author and pseudo-scientist who claimed that human consciousness could affect the molecular structure of water."
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto#Scientific_criticism

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Kryptid btw forgot to add, if SM is dead then also the current quantum mechanical model which postulates "flows of electrons" should be reexamined, in my view through radiant energy the socalled aether theory ... tho even if its reshaped by the other QM approaches [1] will open huge room for new at least calibration of the spectrometers, still I think the particle physics is fundamentally wrong if there is no super symmetry in it thus we indeed need to apprehend the teslas radiant energy theory and like that seeing the difference between artificial and natural CBD, but as I said we are light years from such even theoretical reasoning what about measuring instruments that will grasp bioresonce, so please dont use SM pseudoscience as norm for bashing by your understanding other "pseudosciences" in this respect bioresonance, I know just that the photonicsspectra article points that the current physics understanding is not explaining  eg. how the vibration of light i.e. particular frequency can activate proteins  "The Hopkins-led study provides proof of principle that a nontoxic light alone can activate a protein in live organisms, allowing researchers to safely control when and where cells move." [1] but also cant explain many other things eg.Blackbody Radiation (Energy objects emit when they are heated) also the Photoelectric Effect (Emission of electrons from metal surfaces when light shines) and Emission Spectra too (Emission of light from electronically excited gas atoms) also there is the wave-particle paradox etc. etc.

You know I dont want again to deep dive here too in this CBD topic like in SiFo on other questions [1][1][1] but will urge You open new thread we will argue further on the SM validity ... just remember be open'minded for once think out of the box ...

I said to BC I will not respond but I am really amazed how he is admitted to derail the discussion in this thread trying to say I am proposing MasaruE as evidence, no on contrary as mainstream scientists You are too far away from his science, tho bashing was norm even in Japan on this behalf, so Tesla was ridiculed too but coz him we are now living in stable electrified realm ...