[Jolly2 (OP)]

Need some help with the maths.

There are 0.6% trans people in America.

So does that mean the trans gender pay gap is something like for every dollar a cis women earns a trans women earns half a cent?

[Kryptid]

It means for every 1,000 women, 6 of them are trans.

Pay rate is not included in the data.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

It means for every 1,000 women, 6 of them are trans.

Pay rate is not included in the data.

There are more trans women then men generally but the 0.6 is for both gender changes.

The numbers are configured as an aggregate.  So it's the earnings of 1000 women compared to the earning of say 5 trans women in total, that's how the gender pay gap is figured, no wonder they never talk about the teans gender pay gap

Looks like the trans gender wage gap is worse then half a cent for every dollar a women earns. Probably more like trans people earn 0.01 of a cent for every dollar a cis women earns.

Maybe we should encourage Jeff Bezos to change gender it would end the gender pay gap over night and seriously improve the trans gender stats. And all he would have to do is add women to his facebook profile.

[Petrochemicals]

cis

Does this mean normal?

[Bored chemist]

Cis is the opposite of trans.
What is "normal" for one person is abnormal for another. I guess Petrochemicals hasn't realised that yet.

The fraction of the population who are trans has essentially nothing to do with the gender pay gap.
It's not clear why Jolly thinks they are related.

[Bored chemist]

So it's the earnings of 1000 women compared to the earning of say 5 trans women in total, that's how the gender pay gap is figured,

No it is not.

[alancalverd]

I don't know about the USA, but there is no pay gap in the UK: it is illegal to pay anyone more or less for the same work. There is however a significant earnings gap because fewer women work full time or occupy the highest-paid jobs.

It is interesting to note that, according to Treasury statistics, women favour substantially less risky investments (e.g. cash ISAs) than men (who prefer stocks and shares ISAs). Nothing to do with marketing or discrimination - the banks will sell anyone whatever they want - but apparently  inherent psychology. This may explain the top earnings gap: you have to speculate to accumulate.

Might also explain the preponderance of M → F transitions: it's a big commitment with lots of risk.

[Bored chemist]

Nothing to do with marketing or discrimination

Prove it.

[Bored chemist]

This may explain the top earnings gap

You do know that the research shows that it's largely due to prejudice, don't you?

[Kryptid]

So it's the earnings of 1000 women compared to the earning of say 5 trans women in total, that's how the gender pay gap is figured, no wonder they never talk about the teans gender pay gap

Looks like the trans gender wage gap is worse then half a cent for every dollar a women earns. Probably more like trans people earn 0.01 of a cent for every dollar a cis women earns.

Again, that's not how that works. If there are ten people working a given job, where nine are men and one is a woman, that does not translate into the woman making ten percent as much per hour as one of the men would.

[alancalverd]

Nothing to do with marketing or discrimination

Prove it.

https://personal.natwest.com/personal/investments/natwest-invest.html  is a fairly typical advert for popular investment schemes from one of the largest banks. I can't see how it is targeted to encourage men to invest in stocks and shares and women to invest in cash ISAs. https://www.barclays.co.uk/investments/ is another big player. If you can point out the bias or discrimination, please do so.

[Bored chemist]

Nothing to do with marketing or discrimination

Prove it.

https://personal.natwest.com/personal/investments/natwest-invest.html  is a fairly typical advert for popular investment schemes from one of the largest banks. I can't see how it is targeted to encourage men to invest in stocks and shares and women to invest in cash ISAs. https://www.barclays.co.uk/investments/ is another big player. If you can point out the bias or discrimination, please do so.

You seem to have muddled cause and effect.
Did it not occur to you that a lifetime of being told that risk taking was "masculine" or "unladylike" would lead to the observed investment purchasing bias?

[alancalverd]

This may explain the top earnings gap

You do know that the research shows that it's largely due to prejudice, don't you?

I  wouldn't be surprised if the "research " showed it, but I don't know it.
Interestingly, the CEO of Nat West Bank (see above) is female, along with the monarch, the last prime minister, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and two of the last five heads of MI5. AFAIK they all earn the same salary (adjusted for inflation) as their male predecessors. 
Away from the public sector, where prejudice might be expected to have some influence on career progress, your earnings depend on your willingness to take risks, or what the public is prepared to pay to watch you do your "thing", so prejudice is no bar to high earnings. Entrepreneurs rather than employees will be found at the top of the earnings table, and also at the bottom.   

[alancalverd]

a lifetime of being told

By whom? Queen Victoria has been dead for 120 years! Nobody discouraged my nephew's girlfriend from being a fighter pilot, Pauline Cutting from practising surgery in war zones, or my neighbor from living with a family of gorillas. Oddly, I don't know many blokes who put their lives on the line to the same extent, though said nephew is a test pilot for parachutes....but he's probably insane. 

One son has taught what we used to call "civics" to 6th-formers. I don't recall him telling the girls not to invest in stocks and shares: "Banking and investments" was taught to the entire class at once, as it was in my primary school days.

I recall a language teacher explaining gendered nouns to a rowdy mob "Boys and girls are different, and the French and Germans take it to extremes that are considered unbecoming in English."

[Jolly2 (OP)]

So it's the earnings of 1000 women compared to the earning of say 5 trans women in total, that's how the gender pay gap is figured, no wonder they never talk about the teans gender pay gap

Looks like the trans gender wage gap is worse then half a cent for every dollar a women earns. Probably more like trans people earn 0.01 of a cent for every dollar a cis women earns.

Again, that's not how that works. If there are ten people working a given job, where nine are men and one is a woman, that does not translate into the woman making ten percent as much per hour as one of the men would.

Unfortunately that is how the gender pay gap work it's the difference between all the pay of women employed compared to all the pay of men. That's how feminists calculated it. As an aggregate,  which is why feminists groups like the Factual  feminists lead by Christina Hoff Sommers have been arguing the suggested pay gap isn't real and is explained because women generally work In lowering paying areas like teaching or choose to spend more time with friends then working every hour of the day as men often do. You can find plenty of examples of Christina Hoff Summers arguments if you search.

cis

Does this mean normal?

Cis is a term used by some to denote a person who accepts the gender of the sex they were born with. So a man who was born Male or a women born female would be cis.

CIS comes from latin and is a prefix for 'on this side of' as trans is a prefix of the opposite side.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Cis is the opposite of trans.
What is "normal" for one person is abnormal for another. I guess Petrochemicals hasn't realised that yet.

The fraction of the population who are trans has essentially nothing to do with the gender pay gap.
It's not clear why Jolly thinks they are related.

I think mr chemist might be arguing that trans women are not really women.

[alancalverd]

A perfectly valid argument, and one that is seriously exercising the world of sport. However hard you try, your fat/muscle ratio at peak fitness remains decidedly masculine and even if you pile on the fat for a Sumo contest, your upper body strength remains greater than for a woman of the same weight. There is serious talk of introducing new classes of competition, two based on  XY chromosome counts and a third "open" class for anyone who fancies a go.   

[Bored chemist]

your earnings depend on your willingness to take risks,

LOL
Every day Boris takes the risk that someone will point out that he's a liar and that... nothing will be done about it.

There is no risk.
The worst that happens is he gets voted out and gets a job as an "advisor".
Well none of his advice while in office was worth  squat so...

[Bored chemist]

I think mr chemist might be arguing that trans women are not really women.

No, he's not saying that at all.
People looked for a word to mean the opposite of trans.
And the chemists already had one, so people who aren't trans are cis.

[Bored chemist]

women generally work In lowering paying areas like teaching

So, the prejudice is (as it has been for a couple of hundred years) that teaching isn't a "proper" job, so it's poorly paid.
If it was a real job then men would "have to" do it.

Again, you are muddling cause and effect.
It's not women who chose that teaching (and nursing) should be poorly paid.
On the other hand, it is broadly men who decided that politics should be well paid.