[Just thinking (OP)]

You are wasting your time and ours

I was under the impression that puppy power's explanation had cleared up any misunderstanding as it is very complete and understandable. I was delighted to see my theory explained in such detail that strengthened my theory.

[Bored chemist]

I was under the impression that puppy power's explanation had cleared up any misunderstanding as it is very complete and understandable.

Essentially nothing he posts is ever right.

His explanation does not make sense.
It relies on things that aren't real.

The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

Please cite a source for this.

For the benefit of Just Thinking, this:

The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

Please cite a source for this.

is the scientists polite way of saying, "You are talking bollocks- if you think you are not, then prove it."

[Just thinking (OP)]

    The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.


Please cite a source for this.

Just thinking's post on why the universe is expanding.

[Bored chemist]

    The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.


Please cite a source for this.

Just thinking's post on why the universe is expanding.

So... the next question is, do you know what a circular argument is?
Also do you know what a source is, in this context?

[Just thinking (OP)]

So... the next question is, do you know what a circular argument is?
Also do you know what a source is, in this context?

I think we will go in circles no matter where we look and a source will be found in the circular arguments.

[Bored chemist]

a source will be found in the circular arguments.

It can't be; and that's the problem.

[Just thinking (OP)]

    a source will be found in the circular arguments.

It can't be; and that's the problem.

I agree as all the theories to this question of why the universe is expanding have become circular arguments.

[puppypower]

    The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

Please cite a source for this.

Just thinking's post on why the universe is expanding.

Bored Chemists routinely lacks common sense and requires someone tell him what to think. Let me explain so even bored chemist can understand. However, he relies on the emotion of trust and not his common sense, so the truth may not set him free. 

We can measure heat/temperature by its IR signal; digital pyrometer. Different temperatures will have different IR wavelengths, If an object cools, due to the flow of heat from hot to cold, the wavelength of the IR being measured will stretch and lower frequency. Doppler shift and cooling will both red shift energy; expand the wavelength of energy. The idea that the Doppler shift equals the entire red shift of the universe is half baked. 

Heat can also appear to flow from cold to hot, allowing us to blue shift energy. The heat pump does this by extracting heat from the colder outside and releasing that heat inside where it is warmer. The heating of the inside will cause the measured IR wavelength of the room to shorten; blue shift.

This is not natural and it is not exactly true. It is still based on heat flowing from hot to cold in the compressor and evaporator, with the evaporator colder then outside. But if we model the heat pump as a black box; look at only the input and output, the heat pump appears to move heat from cold to hot.

The black box approach of statistics can be used to do similar magic tricks that appear to defy the laws of nature; appear by chance. This is why I avoid it, since it makes it too easy to cheat. I prefer do it the harder way and look inside the black box. There are often extra gears in there that still follow basic laws of science and not the games of chance.

I like the entropy model for universe expansion. This can interface before t=0. Expanding space-time, moves faster and faster in time, allowing entropy to become processed faster, all else equal. The universe did not always expand at the same rate. This means the source of energy feeding the variable rate of entropy increase, would need to parallel this.

In this model the exothermic output from gravity can account for this; action/reaction equals contraction/expansion. Rotation is also a reaction since the centrifugal force vector in the rotation is opposite gravity; action and reaction. As the galaxies evolved and gravitational potential lowered the expansion got a boost relative to the galaxies.

There a galaxies with too many rotational turns for the amount of time assumed. In this model the extra turns came from a rapid collapse of the matter, maybe due to the action of black holes.

[Bored chemist]

Bored Chemists routinely lacks common sense

No; he doesn't.
On the other hand, you are the one who posts tosh
So, lets see your explanation for this claim you made,

The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

which is a breach of the conservation of energy.

Don't forget to use the accepted meaning of the phrase "red shift".

(incidentally, posting such nonsense on a science website is at odds with common sense.)

requires someone tell him what to think.

No

Let me explain so even bored chemist can understand.

Did it not occur to you that you should have explained it the first time?
Don't you understand that's your job.

It's not as if I'm the only one who pointed out that it was... "unsupported by evidence", is it?

However, he relies on the emotion of trust and not his common sense,

It's remarkable that you are so dim as to not see that those arent the only options.
I actually base my views on evidence.
You were asked for some.
You still haven't really supplied any, have you?

What got red shifted?
It's a term that's applied to radiation in transit.

[Just thinking (OP)]

In this model the exothermic output from gravity can account for this; action/reaction equals contraction/expansion. Rotation is also a reaction since the centrifugal force vector in the rotation is opposite gravity; action and reaction. As the galaxies evolved and gravitational potential lowered the expansion got a boost relative to the galaxies.

This makes good sense to me as there is greater velocity the further out there for more centrifugal force applied to the perimeter increasing the velocity expanding the universe.

[Origin]

We can measure heat/temperature by its IR signal; digital pyrometer. Different temperatures will have different IR wavelengths, If an object cools, due to the flow of heat from hot to cold, the wavelength of the IR being measured will stretch and lower frequency. Doppler shift and cooling will both red shift energy;

Complete crap.  This has nothing to do with a red shift.  The temperature is lower so the emitted photon are at a lower energy.
The whole post is pseudoscience.

[Origin]

This makes good sense to me as there is greater velocity the further out there for more centrifugal force applied to the perimeter increasing the velocity expanding the universe.

That's too bad since puppypower is supremely ignorant of the physics he is trying to describe.

[Origin]

This makes good sense to me as there is greater velocity the further out there for more centrifugal force applied to the perimeter increasing the velocity expanding the universe.

There would be a higher recession velocity along the axis of rotation if your idea were true.  That would be easy to detect, but this isn't seen so your hypothesis is falsified.  In other words your idea is wrong.  If you ignore this fact then you are a pseudo science crank and can join ranks with the other cranks like puppypower.  Why you would choose ignorance over knowledge is quite beyond my capacity to understand, but whatever...

[Just thinking (OP)]

There would be a higher recession velocity along the axis of rotation if your idea were true.  That would be easy to detect, but this isn't seen so your hypothesis is falsified.

The axis of the universe may be as far from us as the porinida areas that are beyond that of optical and radio detection don't forget the universe is rather big but of course you already know that. Unless we are in the very centre of the universe and they belived that over 400 years ago.

[Origin]

The axis of the universe may be as far from us as the porinida areas that are beyond that of optical and radio detection don't forget the universe is rather big but of course you already know that.

The point is if there was a center to the universe and the universe was expanding in some preferred direction, no matter where you were in the universe you would be able to detect this non isotropic expansion.  This is not seen, therefore the idea has been falsified, end of story.

[Just thinking (OP)]

The point is if there was a center to the universe and the universe was expanding in some preferred direction, no matter where you were in the universe you would be able to detect this non isotropic expansion.  This is not seen, therefore the idea has been falsified, end of story.

No the point is we do knot no wear we are in the universe and we do not know the shape of the universe and we do not know the size of the universe. If you were blindfolded and spun around in an unknown place would you know where you are and what is around you in a dark place?

[Origin]

No the point is we do knot no wear we are in the universe and we do not know the shape of the universe and we do not know the size of the universe.

Which is immaterial, since that has nothing to do with the observation that galaxies at the same distance from earth have the same recession velocities no matter where we look in the galaxy.  Again this falsifies your hypothesis.

Unfortunately, it is becoming clear you are going to ignore evidence and just stick with made up stuff.  One more joins the ranks of the anti-science crew.[shrug] 

This is for you and puppypower:   "If you make up one thing and I make up one thing now we both have two made up things".

[Just thinking (OP)]

If you make up one thing and I make up one thing now we both have two made up things".

Or, I know one thing you know nothing now we both know one thing. See it works for all even you. You have now learnt something so rejoice in the moment and be happy. If you have any other technical questions please don't hesitate to ask.