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Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 12:47:03Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2021 12:06:51Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 11:56:45Do you mean what started to rotate the universeYes.Or rather, how is it possible?Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many. If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. When stars begin to form from a cloud of dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential. Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential. Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2021 12:06:51Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 11:56:45Do you mean what started to rotate the universeYes.Or rather, how is it possible?Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 11:56:45Do you mean what started to rotate the universeYes.Or rather, how is it possible?
Do you mean what started to rotate the universe
Quote from: puppypower on 20/06/2021 13:42:33Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 12:47:03Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2021 12:06:51Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 11:56:45Do you mean what started to rotate the universeYes.Or rather, how is it possible?Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many. If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. When stars begin to form from a cloud of dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential. Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential. Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect. Thank you for this very detailed account of physics at work but I'm not sharp enuff to determine as to whether your in agreement with a rotating universe or not in agreement with my theory
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 14:00:37Quote from: puppypower on 20/06/2021 13:42:33Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 12:47:03Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2021 12:06:51Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 11:56:45Do you mean what started to rotate the universeYes.Or rather, how is it possible?Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many. If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. When stars begin to form from a cloud of dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential. Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential. Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect. Thank you for this very detailed account of physics at work but I'm not sharp enuff to determine as to whether your in agreement with a rotating universe or not in agreement with my theory I am in agreement with your theory. I was showing you how to explain a source of energy for your theory. The exothermic output, from gravity lowering potential, causes the rotations of stars. Gravity acting on the entire mass of the universe, via all the galaxies, will give off the energy needed to rotate the universe. Eventually when gravity reaches steady state, and the exothermic output slows and stops, the universe will start to contract. The analogy is the exothermic output from gravity is like hot air filling up a ballon. Once the heat is shut off; steady state galaxies, the balloon starts to deflate; rotating universe will spiral inward.
, the mass will start to rotate,
One of the reasons nobody can see dark energy in the lab,
I won't insult you by pretending to understand your explanation as my degree of understanding is rather limited however thank you again for your agreeance.
I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 14:33:37I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.The fact remains that the universe would look red shifted in some directions (and we see that it is) but it would unshifted or blue shifted in others (and we see that it is not).There's really no way round that fact
There are stars that are blue shift and neutral in fact the andromeda galaxy is in the blueshift as the Milkyway and andromeda galaxy are on a colision corse.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2021 17:30:35Quote from: Just thinking on 20/06/2021 14:33:37I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.The fact remains that the universe would look red shifted in some directions (and we see that it is) but it would unshifted or blue shifted in others (and we see that it is not).There's really no way round that factThere are stars that are blue shift and neutral in fact the andromeda galaxy is in the blueshift as the Milkyway and andromeda galaxy are on a colision corse.
The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.
What is interesting about this is we appear to live in an area of the universe, where space-time between galaxies is not expanding relative to those galaxies. We appear to be situated in a dark energy dead zone. The universe is expanding relative to the galaxies, but not around here, or else we should have a red shift.
Quote from: puppypower on 21/06/2021 14:50:27The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.Please cite a source for this.
Any ideas for this theory.
What theory?
Why the universe is expanding/getting bigger/getting larger/getting more massive/growing in size/becoming bigger/putting on weight/maturing/getting older/obesity/huge/over the horizon/topping the scales/ to far gone.
That's not a theory.