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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #20 on: 18/02/2022 08:58:09 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 08:35:59
Lower limit on missing energy: 1.7*10^(-119) J.
So, your idea is deliberately untestable.
Why pretend that it's science?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #21 on: 18/02/2022 09:12:44 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/02/2022 08:58:09
So, your idea is deliberately untestable.
Why pretend that it's science?

L0 is detectable using changes in a Strong Force-field.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #22 on: 18/02/2022 10:03:51 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 09:12:44
L0 is detectable using changes in a Strong Force-field.
What is L? and what does mean "changes in a Strong Force"? QuantumChromodynamics or decay?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #23 on: 18/02/2022 10:52:34 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 10:03:51
What is L? and what does mean "changes in a Strong Force"? QuantumChromodynamics or decay?

L0 is a new particle I predicted. Quantum Chromodynamics.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #24 on: 18/02/2022 11:11:32 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 10:52:34
L0 is a new particle I predicted. Quantum Chromodynamics.
Then if L is complementary to the operation of the QCD, is it a boson or a fermion? And how is the representation of it in the Feynman diagram? What path between which particles?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #25 on: 18/02/2022 14:56:08 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 11:11:32
Then if L is complementary to the operation of the QCD, is it a boson or a fermion? And how is the representation of it in the Feynman diagram? What path between which particles?

It is neither a Fermion nor a Boson: it doesn't have spin. It has no representation on a Feynman diagram yet. It is on a path from the Pi-minus out of the system. It is however required by Structure Conservation (see paper).
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #26 on: 18/02/2022 16:21:11 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 14:56:08
It is neither a Fermion nor a Boson: it doesn't have spin. It has no representation on a Feynman diagram yet. ...
Is the neutral L an elementary or composite particle?

Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 14:56:08
... It is on a path from the Pi-minus out of the system. ...
Out of the system? There would then be another system with another quantity of energy?

Below is an example path; Where is your neutral L? It is difficult to have another system than ours.


A proton emanating from a cosmic ray strikes an atmospheric molecule. A π+ pion appears here which decays into a μ+ muon and a νμ muon neutrino. The muon μ+ in turn produces an electron neutrino νe accompanied by a muonic antineutrino. https://journals.openedition.org/bibnum/811?lang=en
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #27 on: 18/02/2022 17:53:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 08:35:59
Lower limit on missing energy: 1.7*10^(-119) J.

I'm not sure that an energy that small can even be detected.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #28 on: 18/02/2022 18:11:44 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 16:21:11
Is the neutral L an elementary or composite particle?

It is a composite particle.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 16:21:11
Out of the system? There would then be another system with another quantity of energy?

I mean it leaves the vertex where the decay happened.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 16:21:11
Below is an example path; Where is your neutral L? It is difficult to have another system than ours.

There would just be an anti-L0. It will start at the vertex where the pi-plus decayed.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #29 on: 18/02/2022 18:49:10 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 18:11:44
It is a composite particle.
Composed of which and which particle?

Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 18:11:44
I mean it leaves the vertex where the decay happened.
Where does it leave its energy? The energy has to go somewhere.

[edit] You said above that your particle was included in the QCD mechanism. But you can't have the same disintegrated particle. But what you are saying is that your particle is created after the decay.
« Last Edit: 18/02/2022 19:57:12 by Kartazion »
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #30 on: 18/02/2022 21:36:25 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 14:56:08
It is neither a Fermion nor a Boson: ...
Just to know. How much dimension use your system for this particle? And can you complete the rest of this word: Any**
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #31 on: 19/02/2022 01:51:57 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 09:12:44
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/02/2022 08:58:09
So, your idea is deliberately untestable.
Why pretend that it's science?

L0 is detectable using changes in a Strong Force-field.
How?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #32 on: 19/02/2022 07:23:57 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 18/02/2022 17:53:36
I'm not sure that an energy that small can even be detected.

When using other another computation method, and with the assumption that mass is encoded by millions of space points, I recomputed the lower limit as: 5.79 eV.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/02/2022 01:51:57
How?

Set up a Strong Force field (by arranging nuclei in a lattice) and detectors of the field, then send a pi-minus close to the field and observe the field.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 21:36:25
How much dimension use your system for this particle? And can you complete the rest of this word: Any**

The particle is 2 dimensional, but it lives in 3 dimensions. Anyon?

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
Composed of which and which particle?

Composite of properties of an anti-up and down quark.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
Where does it leave its energy? The energy has to go somewhere.

It goes on infinitely far. I can't see a method for it being absorbed.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
But you can't have the same disintegrated particle.

I don't know what you mean by this.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
But what you are saying is that your particle is created after the decay.

Yes.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #33 on: 19/02/2022 11:36:16 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 07:23:57
The particle is 2 dimensional, but it lives in 3 dimensions. Anyon?
Two dimensions are possible. Three dimensions include Bose-Einstein or Fermi-Dirac statistics, either boson or fermion. Anyon is the correct answer. Well done.

Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 07:23:57
Composite of properties of an anti-up and down quark.
Your particle is therefore a meson. I inform you that your particle is already cataloged under the reference of Rho meson.

quark ūd    symbol ρ–    spin 1    mass 770 MeV/c²

Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 07:23:57
Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
But you can't have the same disintegrated particle.

I don't know what you mean by this.

Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 18:49:10
But what you are saying is that your particle is created after the decay.

Yes.
This is because you talked about QCD rather than deacy:
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/02/2022 10:52:34
Quote from: Kartazion on 18/02/2022 10:03:51
What is L? and what does mean "changes in a Strong Force"? QuantumChromodynamics or decay?

L0 is a new particle I predicted. Quantum Chromodynamics.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #34 on: 19/02/2022 12:01:02 »
L0 is not the same as ρ-. It is only made of some properties of anti-ud.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #35 on: 19/02/2022 12:14:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 12:01:02
L0 is not the same as ρ-. It is only made of some properties of anti-ud.
You want to talk about gluon there...
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #36 on: 19/02/2022 14:34:57 »
"Ice Cube" can measure neutrino energies. See:


at timestamp: 16:14. But not accurately enough.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #37 on: 19/02/2022 17:42:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 14:34:57
"Ice Cube" can measure neutrino energies. See:
Citing a vid from someone who doesn't believe in the big bang is... an odd choice.
Anyway

" IceCube is designed to look for point sources of neutrinos in the TeV range"
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory

so it's not going to help you, is it?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #38 on: 20/02/2022 05:28:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 19/02/2022 07:23:57
When using other another computation method, and with the assumption that mass is encoded by millions of space points, I recomputed the lower limit as: 5.79 eV.

That would give it a mass greater than those of neutrinos (which have an upper limit of 0.8 eV): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00430-x

So if an anomalous momentum change in particle decay caused by neutrinos is detectable, then evidence for your hypothetical particle should have already been found.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #39 on: 20/02/2022 08:17:42 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/02/2022 05:28:36
So if an anomalous momentum change in particle decay caused by neutrinos is detectable, then evidence for your hypothetical particle should have already been found.

Neutrinos have velocity as well, so their energy can be more than 5.79 eV.

The reference above graphs energies of GeVs and more.

L0 does not have mass. Although I can be mistaken. Nothing prevents it from having mass.
« Last Edit: 20/02/2022 08:26:03 by talanum1 »
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