[alancalverd]

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... the dinosaurs were there just to deceive you." 

That’s a very old argument, but it suggests a very strange god who is prepared to deceive his followers.

Come now, Colin, surely you know that fossils, radiocarbon, and all that stuff was invented by Satan after he was cast out of Heaven (for taking the piss, detuning his harp, or whatever he did) in order to encourage human curiosity so that the devout followers of God could assuage their Holy Perversions by torturing and killing those who dared to question the Divine Revealed Bullshit.

Or did you sleep through compulsory RE lessons?  It's all there in Genesis 101, where the god whose name must not be spoken cast A&E out of the GofE  for eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.

Now if you will excuse me, I must commit the Sin of Investigation into one of God's many failings - breast cancer.

[Colin2B]

he was cast out of Heaven (for taking the piss, detuning his harp, or whatever he did

I heard it was for playing salacious jazz or heavy rock and hence leading decent folks astray. But that may just be malicious rumours spread by someone else.

[Kartazion (OP)]

In the case of a configuration of an evolution by a creator, we cannot know his/her/its intentions. Or then you surely refer and like me to certain writings to be able to try to understand and to make a link of what could happen to humanity in the future.

... you know that fossils, radiocarbon, and all that stuff was invented by Satan ...

It is God who created the dinauzore to deceive the evil spirit. The evil spirit being a flouter of the rules of common sense and is trapped by a reflection based on the impossibility that all of this is in fact virtual. He firmly believes that creation is only a hazardous evolution and therefore believes that everything is permitted.

[alancalverd]

what could happen to humanity in the future.

If we don't kill each other, starve each other,  or succumb to a major pandemic, we will be boiled by the expanding sun. Which books have you been reading?

[Kartazion (OP)]

Which books have you been reading?

I am simply referring to a certain Abrahamic passages or from other ancient religions.

[alancalverd]

All written by people with a deep understanding of sustainability, pandemic, and nuclear physics?

[Kartazion (OP)]

All written by people with a deep understanding of sustainability, pandemic, and nuclear physics?

Personally, I'm a dunce who inquires about Netflix. But what do people with a deep understanding of sustainability say?

[alancalverd]

You don't need  deep understanding to realise that food is limited, population is not. Most species have the sense not to breed beyond what their food sources can sustain but humans aren't that clever, and would rather kill each other than stop breeding, because God told them to go forth and multiply.

[Kartazion (OP)]

I don't know (I just imagine and think), but maybe it's time to prepare on to the announced apocalyptic end-of-time period stage. Without God, we are headed straight for disaster. So maybe the prophetic scripture will act... who knows...

[alancalverd]

Without God, we are headed straight for disaster.

Au contraire, mon ami.  Most disasters to date have been caused by faith in something or other. We are indeed headed for disaster but the remedy is in our hands. Problem is that it costs nothing (so no politician's brother can make a profit from it) and it will upset The Blessed Economy (i.e. the bankers who offer directorships to retired politicians).

[Kryptid]

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Imagine: "Creation is only a decoy, because the dinosaurs were there just to deceive you." 

I sincerely hope you don't believe that, especially since one of your rules for this thread was to allow discussion of philosophy and theology as long as it aligns with common sense. The dinosaurs being a case of divine deception isn't even remotely common sense.

[Kartazion (OP)]

Without God, we are headed straight for disaster.

Au contraire, mon ami.

Why without God we are not going to disaster? I would prefer to speak with the objective of a future vision and not a past like wars religious. Despite monotheism, man wanted to imply futile differences. When I say that we are going straight to the wall, it is at the level of the ambition of the policies which is not at the level hoped for by the NGOs and the people. Capitalism and ultra-liberalism is the cause of the disaster.

Most disasters to date have been caused by faith in something or other.

Like the intuition? Or maybe you also want to talk about ideology rather than faith. If it is written "In God We Trust" on the official motto, do you think that they are not partisan of all that ensues from it?

We are indeed headed for disaster but the remedy is in our hands.

Certainly not in the hands of the people. We are victims of political decisions.

Problem is that it costs nothing (so no politician's brother can make a profit from it) and it will upset The Blessed Economy (i.e. the bankers who offer directorships to retired politicians).

The oligarchy.

I sincerely hope you don't believe that, ...

I'm not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. But it was surely, and by their archaic nature, a simple experiment of our creator to deceive his favorite being who is man. In other words the dinosaurs were useless. It is said in the Abrahamic religion that humans are more important than any other animals. The capacity of man being by nature vastly superior.

... especially since one of your rules for this thread was to allow discussion of philosophy and theology as long as it aligns with common sense. The dinosaurs being a case of divine deception isn't even remotely common sense.

I confess. Where then are the limits of common sense if we can no longer explain it? According to the interpretation of the QM we can already see that the creation is only illusion. The collapse of the wave function indicates that before its measurement the state of matter deceives us. The subject is such that we have no possible scientific model. Finally here (see quote below) is what common sense looks like to be able to explain evolution:

I will take seriously any argument that debunks evolution, if and only if it is proposed by someone who looks exactly like both of his/her parents. Anyone else is an embodiment of evolution.

[Kryptid]

In what way are the dinosaurs a deception?

Common sense no longer explaining what, exactly? Evolution is not a quantum mechanical theory.

[Kartazion (OP)]

In what way are the dinosaurs a deception?

Because you believe in it. You believe what you see and not what is not seen.

Common sense no longer explaining what, exactly?

The common sense.

Evolution is not a quantum mechanical theory.

Read it again. The QM analogy goes to the same interpretation of the illusion, as much as the dinosaur are a deception. Not the evolution.

[alancalverd]

Evolution is an observation, not a theory.

Not to be confused with the evolution of species, a theory which consists with common sense but fails any logical test because there is no consistent definition of species.

[Kartazion (OP)]

Evolution is an observation, not a theory.

Not to be confused with the evolution of species, a theory which consists with common sense but fails any logical test because there is no consistent definition of species.

Yes I agree. But why do you believe, and according to my messages, that evolution is a theory?

[alancalverd]

I just said it isn't a theory, it's an observation.

[Kryptid]

Because you believe in it.

You literally just said, "I'm not saying dinosaurs didn't exist." So do you accept that dinosaurs existed or not?

You believe what you see and not what is not seen.

What are you talking about?

The common sense.

Common sense no longer explains common sense? That sounds like a contradiction to me.

Read it again. The QM analogy goes to the same interpretation of the illusion, as much as the dinosaur are a deception. Not the evolution.

I really don't know what you're trying to argue at this point. I dont know if it's a language barrier problem or what.

[Kartazion (OP)]

You literally just said, "I'm not saying dinosaurs didn't exist." So do you accept that dinosaurs existed or not?

@Kryptid I don't see what you don't understand. I've always said here in this thread that dinosaurs were or are a sleight of hand. So yes they existed. I never implied that they didn't exist. Their existence was only to deceive men.

What are you talking about?

You believe in dinosaurs so much that you can't believe what you can't see. What you see is not the essential.

Common sense no longer explains common sense? That sounds like a contradiction to me.

Yes it's the snake who eating its own tail.

I really don't know what you're trying to argue at this point. I dont know if it's a language barrier problem or what.

Yes a language barrier problem. But the QM analogy which gives an interpretation of the illusion, is as much as the dinosaurs which are a deceive. A deception to deceive man.

[Kryptid]

So what are dinosaurs supposed to deceive us into believing?