[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

I think our current understanding of Black Holes are wrong.

Last three years ago, I submitted (but rejected) to both Nature Journal and SCIENCE Journal an article titled, "All About Gravity", discussing Gravity and how our science and schools did it wrong while Einstein did it right. Did it wrong because a trampoline is not a good way of explaining gravity. A pool full of water is probably the best example.

I think that the Black Holes that we are seeing and presenting in pictures are not really black holes, probably some stars that we still do not know.

If I have time, I think that I will submit the Article to Zenodo and let people read it for free...

[Kryptid]

Did it wrong because a trampoline is not a good way of explaining gravity.

The trampoline analogy was never meant to be taken literally.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

Did it wrong because a trampoline is not a good way of explaining gravity.

The trampoline analogy was never meant to be taken literally.

Of course, I understood it but the trampoline is the wrong way to explain gravity, I think. You cannot use trampoline in explaining gravitational waves and black holes.

[Kryptid]

You cannot use trampoline in explaining gravitational waves and black holes.

It's only an analogy.

[Kartazion]

I think that the Black Holes that we are seeing and presenting in pictures are not really black holes, probably some stars that we still do not know.

The black holes at first were deduced by calculations before being observed.

[Bored chemist]

You cannot use trampoline in explaining gravitational waves and black holes.

Nobody said you could.

Last three years ago, I submitted (but rejected) to both Nature Journal and SCIENCE Journal an article titled, "All About Gravity", discussing Gravity and how our science and schools did it wrong while Einstein did it right.

Is that like your unsupported and impossible claim to have reviewed all the papers about the theory of evolution?

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

You cannot use trampoline in explaining gravitational waves and black holes.

It's only an analogy.

Why not use a pool with full of water, with two balloons; one is the Sun and other is the Earth? And when you popped the other balloon inside the pool, you can see Black Hole and the effect of gravity... Did you visualize it?

[Kryptid]

Why not use a pool with full of water, with two balloons; one is the Sun and other is the Earth? And when you popped the other balloon inside the pool, you can see Black Hole and the effect of gravity... Did you visualize it?

That would just be another analogy. Neither the trampoline nor your example are truly reflective of the reality of the situation.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

You cannot use trampoline in explaining gravitational waves and black holes.

Nobody said you could.

Last three years ago, I submitted (but rejected) to both Nature Journal and SCIENCE Journal an article titled, "All About Gravity", discussing Gravity and how our science and schools did it wrong while Einstein did it right.

Is that like your unsupported and impossible claim to have reviewed all the papers about the theory of evolution?

I love experiment in science and I think when a professor or teacher uses trampoline to explain gravity, and use marbles to symbolize massive objects in space is very wrong and very confusing, unless, you knew what Einstein had seen about Gravity...

In ToE, it is another topic. Wait, I am in the last part of my article...I will surely give you the ABSTRACT before I submit.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

Why not use a pool with full of water, with two balloons; one is the Sun and other is the Earth? And when you popped the other balloon inside the pool, you can see Black Hole and the effect of gravity... Did you visualize it?

That would just be another analogy. Neither the trampoline nor your example are truly reflective of the reality of the situation.

In the pool, you could explain gravity, the grav waves and black holes, and probably predict another phenomenon that Einstein did not see. You could also show the bending of light, if you use a sketch. If you see that phenomenon, let us submit, co-author,  to NATURE and SCIENCE. Anybody interested?

[Kryptid]

Why not use a pool with full of water, with two balloons; one is the Sun and other is the Earth? And when you popped the other balloon inside the pool, you can see Black Hole and the effect of gravity... Did you visualize it?

That would just be another analogy. Neither the trampoline nor your example are truly reflective of the reality of the situation.

In the pool, you could explain the grav waves and black holes, and probably predict another phenomenon that Einstein did not see. If you see that phenomenon, let us submit, co-author,  to NATURE and SCIENCE.

Water doesn't behave like space and water waves don't behave like gravitational waves.

[Kartazion]

@MrIntelligentDesign it's obvious that you know practically nothing about physices.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

Why not use a pool with full of water, with two balloons; one is the Sun and other is the Earth? And when you popped the other balloon inside the pool, you can see Black Hole and the effect of gravity... Did you visualize it?

That would just be another analogy. Neither the trampoline nor your example are truly reflective of the reality of the situation.

In the pool, you could explain the grav waves and black holes, and probably predict another phenomenon that Einstein did not see. If you see that phenomenon, let us submit, co-author,  to NATURE and SCIENCE.

Water doesn't behave like space and water waves don't behave like gravitational waves.

Do you understand gravitational waves and bending of light? If you do, what is the best analogy in reality, except the pool with water, with ball or balloons, or a pet bottle (or fish tank) with full of water (but since its volume is small, hard to do)?

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

@MrIntelligentDesign it's obvious that you know practically nothing about physices.

Which parts that I did not know? Do you know the bending of light through gravity? If yes, which analogy can you use to explain it in classroom, for example?

[Kartazion]

If you do, what is the best analogy in reality, except the pool with water, with ball or balloons, or a pet bottle (or fish tank) with full of water (but since its volume is small, hard to do)?

Your pool siphon (vortex) will look more like a black hole than your pool.

Which parts that I did not know? Do you know the bending of light through gravity? If yes, which analogy can you use to explain it in classroom, for example?

I understand that you don't understand.

[Kryptid]

Light refracting through water isn't the same as light being bent by a gravitational field, either. Light of different wavelengths refract by different amounts through water, whereas light bent by a gravitational field does not experience that.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

I think that the Black Holes that we are seeing and presenting in pictures are not really black holes, probably some stars that we still do not know.

The black holes at first were deduced by calculations before being observed.

But you will have a good calculation if you have the correct and realistic parameters. The reason why I like Einstein because before he used mathematics, he had seen reality first, thought experiment, you knew, then, math.. a genius.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

Light refracting through water isn't the same as light being bent by a gravitational field, either. Light of different wavelengths refract by different amounts through water, whereas light bent by a gravitational field does not experience that.

I got it, what I said is if you know how Einstein had seen the bending of light caused by gravity on a massive object in space?

[Kryptid]

The bending of light was predicted by the equivalence principle.

[MrIntelligentDesign (OP)]

The bending of light was predicted by the equivalence principle.

But do you know how Einstein had seen it in realistic way? He calculated the angle when light bends, and English Astronomer (forgot the name) had confirmed it. Do you visualize bending of light in space clearly, or no?