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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #40 on: 11/01/2023 22:22:37 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 11/01/2023 20:59:06
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2023 20:37:30
There was roughly as much water then as there is today.
Most of  it is in oceans and seas.

Why did you not realise that?
Did you read the age of the ocean basins ? The oceans did not exist before the mesozoic era.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ujTaSEBh&id=69837669841F54336997C97E460E92111A8F1AFB&thid=OIP.ujTaSEBh-qlpH905DQEqTQHaEc&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.thoughtco.com%2fthmb%2f5x28WHk9dBDittWH5buj2R0o9_k%3d%2f2560x1539%2ffilters%3afill(auto%2c1)%2f2008_age_of_oceans_noplates-58b5a1943df78cdcd87e6818.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.ba34da484061faa9691fdd390d012a4d%3frik%3d%252bxqPGhGSDkZ%252byQ%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1539&expw=2560&q=age+of+seafloor&simid=608043416895315159&FORM=IRPRST&ck=4344573AB4BD3C73F1C16AF6B7A9F51C&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0


If you are trying to do science, you need to stop looking for reasons why you think you might be right, and look at the evidence that you might be wrong.
If there's evidence that your idea is wrong then... you are wrong and you have to come up with a better idea.

For example
You think you have found a page that says there were no oceans.
Is that possible, or could you have misunderstood it.
It's fairly easy to check.
If there were no oceans, where was the water?
It must have been somewhere.
So there must have been oceans.
Of course there were oceans- they were in slightly different places to the ones we have today.

So a map that shows that the age of the rocks that make up today's sea floor doesn't tell you that there were no oceans long ago.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #41 on: 11/01/2023 22:38:10 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2023 22:22:37
If there were no oceans, where was the water?
It must have been somewhere.
That's right. According to the expanding earth theory the water was on top of the continents.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #42 on: 11/01/2023 23:37:27 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 11/01/2023 22:38:10
According to the expanding earth theory
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2023 08:48:11
Quote from: Yaniv on 11/01/2023 07:05:41
My theory
Quote from: Origin on 06/01/2023 15:39:30
You don't have a theory, you have a conjecture.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/01/2023 15:44:06
also has an error.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/01/2023 13:49:14
You don't have a theory.
Stop pretending you do.
Quote from: Origin on 10/01/2023 18:42:06
You still don't have a theory, you have a conjecture.

Please stop telling the lie that you have a theory.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #43 on: 12/01/2023 03:54:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2023 22:22:37
Of course there were oceans- they were in slightly different places to the ones we have today.
Where did they disappear ?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #44 on: 12/01/2023 08:34:18 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 03:54:09
Quote from: Bored chemist on 11/01/2023 22:22:37
Of course there were oceans- they were in slightly different places to the ones we have today.
Where did they disappear ?
In the places where you find fossils of sea creatures.

But it's beside the point.
You have no evidence of a great flood because anything you find in the fossil record might have been because of a small, local sea.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #45 on: 12/01/2023 08:58:26 »
It is entirely possible that the region known to the authors of whatever became Genesis was indeed flooded. If the prevailing model at the time was a flat earth, they would reasonably have presumed that the entire planet was flooded. A fair guess from limited knowledge, but, like a lot of failed hypotheses, not worth worrying about.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #46 on: 12/01/2023 09:44:19 »
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Of course there were oceans- they were in slightly different places to the ones we have today.
Where did they disappear ?
In the places where you find fossils of sea creatures.
Fossils of sea creatures are found on the continents. Do we agree an ancient ocean covered the continents ?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #47 on: 12/01/2023 12:51:30 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 09:44:19
Do we agree an ancient ocean covered the continents ?
No.  There is no evidence that all the continents were covered by the ocean at the same time.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #48 on: 12/01/2023 13:16:28 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 09:44:19
Do we agree an ancient ocean covered the continents ?
Of course we don't agree with that. It's silly.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #49 on: 12/01/2023 13:20:03 »
Quote from: Origin on 12/01/2023 12:51:30
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 09:44:19
Do we agree an ancient ocean covered the continents ?
No.  There is no evidence that all the continents were covered by the ocean at the same time.
In the expanding earth theory the supercontinent Pangea covered the entire surface of the earth, on a smaller volume, submerged by an ancient global ocean.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #50 on: 12/01/2023 13:24:30 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 13:20:03
In the expanding earth theory
It is not a theory.
It is a lie.
The idea is impossible for reasons that have already been posted here.
Your continued insistence on talking about it looks like trolling.
You should stop doing that.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #51 on: 12/01/2023 13:49:27 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 13:20:03
In the expanding earth theory the supercontinent Pangea covered the entire surface of the earth, on a smaller volume, submerged by an ancient global ocean.
That is not a theory, that is a silly idea that has not been thought through.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #52 on: 12/01/2023 13:52:13 »
The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #53 on: 12/01/2023 14:51:11 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 13:52:13
The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.
You seriously think that Occam's razor implies that planets magically grow larger?  Seriously?? ???
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #54 on: 12/01/2023 14:59:01 »
Quote from: Origin on 12/01/2023 14:51:11
You seriously think that Occam's razor implies that planets magically grow larger?  Seriously??
In my theory internal pressure pushes the expansion of the earth.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #55 on: 12/01/2023 16:03:14 »
Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring what I've posted about the gravitational constant not changing detectably over the life time of the Earth?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #56 on: 12/01/2023 16:39:56 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 12/01/2023 16:03:14
Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring what I've posted about the gravitational constant not changing detectably over the life time of the Earth?
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/788709923
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #57 on: 12/01/2023 17:23:33 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 16:39:56
Quote from: Kryptid on 12/01/2023 16:03:14
Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring what I've posted about the gravitational constant not changing detectably over the life time of the Earth?
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/788709923
So all you have as 'evidence' is nonsense you have made up?
Also, how does flooding in the Devonian have anything to do with a biblical flood?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #58 on: 12/01/2023 17:44:29 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 13:52:13
The shapes and distribution of continents are simpler to explain with expansion than plate tectonics - Occam's razor.
It's true that the continents more or less fit together.
There are two possible explanations.
One: they drift- which is possible and can be observed today- it causes earth quakes etc. We can measure the drift using GPS.
Two: the earth is expanding for no reason and manages to do so in a way that we can not detect.


Occam's razor only favours one of those options.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #59 on: 12/01/2023 17:45:38 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 12/01/2023 16:39:56
Quote from: Kryptid on 12/01/2023 16:03:14
Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring what I've posted about the gravitational constant not changing detectably over the life time of the Earth?
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/788709923
I'm not going to log into some web page just to watch your video.
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