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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #140 on: 28/01/2023 12:44:00 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 12:40:05
Quote from: The Spoon on 28/01/2023 12:00:22
Glaser paper is below.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Response-of-apparent-mass-to-thermal-gradients-Gl%C3%A4ser/dd77e00123f2e0efe31f02f9b0b717a98620172c

I looked at your reference. The author states: 'it is predominantly free convection forces which change the apparent mass.'
The author forgot to include the 'control' experiment in his paper, weighing the metals in vacuum, to conclude air convection is responsible for changes in weight.
You seem to have forgotten that you already lost this argument
The evidence is collected every day.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=71794.msg537466#msg537466
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #141 on: 28/01/2023 13:13:54 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/01/2023 12:44:00
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 12:40:05
Quote from: The Spoon on 28/01/2023 12:00:22
Glaser paper is below.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Response-of-apparent-mass-to-thermal-gradients-Gl%C3%A4ser/dd77e00123f2e0efe31f02f9b0b717a98620172c

I looked at your reference. The author states: 'it is predominantly free convection forces which change the apparent mass.'
The author forgot to include the 'control' experiment in his paper, weighing the metals in vacuum, to conclude air convection is responsible for changes in weight.
You seem to have forgotten that you already lost this argument
The evidence is collected every day.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=71794.msg537466#msg537466

I would bet the flat lines at the end of thermogravimetric graphs are superficially flattened.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #142 on: 28/01/2023 13:25:10 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 13:13:54
I would bet the flat lines at the end of thermogravimetric graphs are superficially flattened.
So since you have changed the topic I assume you have given up on your biblical flood idea?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #143 on: 28/01/2023 13:53:55 »
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 13:25:10
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 13:13:54
I would bet the flat lines at the end of thermogravimetric graphs are superficially flattened.
So since you have changed the topic I assume you have given up on your biblical flood idea?
Nope, we are still flooded in sh1t and I am waiting for an opening to walk into the third temple in Jerusalem.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #144 on: 28/01/2023 14:28:05 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 13:53:55
Nope, we are still flooded in sh1t and I am waiting for an opening to walk into the third temple in Jerusalem.
The biblical flood was not water; it was a flood of feces?  What does a temple in Jerusalem have to do with anything?  Are you talking about science or religion?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #145 on: 28/01/2023 15:00:02 »
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 14:28:05
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 13:53:55
Nope, we are still flooded in sh1t and I am waiting for an opening to walk into the third temple in Jerusalem.
The biblical flood was not water; it was a flood of feces?  What does a temple in Jerusalem have to do with anything?  Are you talking about science or religion?
I am talking of a place where science and religions meet above the lowlier world of matter.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #146 on: 28/01/2023 16:40:37 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 15:00:02
I am talking of a place where science and religions meet above the lowlier world of matter.
Where is this place you are referring to?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #147 on: 28/01/2023 16:51:01 »
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 16:40:37
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 15:00:02
I am talking of a place where science and religions meet above the lowlier world of matter.
Where is this place you are referring to?
The Third Temple in Jerusalem.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #148 on: 28/01/2023 17:06:21 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 16:51:01
The Third Temple in Jerusalem.
So are you saying that scientific experiments will agree with religion in the third temple in Jerusalem?  If so then we should run those experiments.  Where is the third temple in Jerusalem?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #149 on: 28/01/2023 17:39:33 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 08:29:40
I expect a linear relationship between heat absorbed and weight loss. Doubling the calories absorbed should double the weight loss.

If that's the case, then that would mean that the metal would lose all of its weight if it absorbed 200,000 times as many calories as in the experiment you mentioned (because a weight loss of 100 micrograms multiplied by 200,000 equals 20 grams, the weight of the metal sample). Right?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #150 on: 28/01/2023 17:41:57 »
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 17:06:21
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 16:51:01
The Third Temple in Jerusalem.
So are you saying that scientific experiments will agree with religion in the third temple in Jerusalem?  If so then we should run those experiments.  Where is the third temple in Jerusalem?
No. The third temple has not been built yet. Don't let this side chat of us distract ourselves from concluding the experiment.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #151 on: 28/01/2023 18:17:37 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 17:41:57
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 17:06:21
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 16:51:01
The Third Temple in Jerusalem.
So are you saying that scientific experiments will agree with religion in the third temple in Jerusalem?  If so then we should run those experiments.  Where is the third temple in Jerusalem?
No. The third temple has not been built yet. Don't let this side chat of us distract ourselves from concluding the experiment.
Give it is barking mad nonsense with religious overtones, it is entirely pertinent.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #152 on: 28/01/2023 18:20:21 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 12:40:05
Quote from: The Spoon on 28/01/2023 12:00:22
Glaser paper is below.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Response-of-apparent-mass-to-thermal-gradients-Gl%C3%A4ser/dd77e00123f2e0efe31f02f9b0b717a98620172c

I looked at your reference. The author states: 'it is predominantly free convection forces which change the apparent mass.'
The author forgot to include the 'control' experiment in his paper, weighing the metals in vacuum, to conclude air convection is responsible for changes in weight.
So the paper you refer to in support of what you laughably refer to as a theory has no validity? 
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #153 on: 28/01/2023 18:33:19 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 15:00:02
I am talking of a place where science and religions meet
They don't meet.
One values evidence over dogma; the other values dogma over evidence.
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 13:13:54
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/01/2023 12:44:00
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 12:40:05
Quote from: The Spoon on 28/01/2023 12:00:22
Glaser paper is below.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Response-of-apparent-mass-to-thermal-gradients-Gl%C3%A4ser/dd77e00123f2e0efe31f02f9b0b717a98620172c

I looked at your reference. The author states: 'it is predominantly free convection forces which change the apparent mass.'
The author forgot to include the 'control' experiment in his paper, weighing the metals in vacuum, to conclude air convection is responsible for changes in weight.
You seem to have forgotten that you already lost this argument
The evidence is collected every day.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=71794.msg537466#msg537466

I would bet the flat lines at the end of thermogravimetric graphs are superficially flattened.
But you would bet that the sky fairy is real, so we shouldn't trust your opinions, should we?
« Last Edit: 28/01/2023 18:35:37 by Bored chemist »
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #154 on: 28/01/2023 20:22:16 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/01/2023 17:39:33
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 08:29:40
I expect a linear relationship between heat absorbed and weight loss. Doubling the calories absorbed should double the weight loss.

If that's the case, then that would mean that the metal would lose all of its weight if it absorbed 200,000 times as many calories as in the experiment you mentioned (because a weight loss of 100 micrograms multiplied by 200,000 equals 20 grams, the weight of the metal sample). Right?
Wrong. The metal should vaporize long before.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #155 on: 28/01/2023 20:34:51 »
A vaporized metal is still a gas. If we have that gas in a container, will it lose all of its weight?
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #156 on: 28/01/2023 20:38:43 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 17:41:57
The third temple has not been built yet.
You can see the future? 
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #157 on: 28/01/2023 20:59:02 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/01/2023 20:34:51
A vaporized metal is still a gas. If we have that gas in a container, will it lose all of its weight?
No, because gas atoms can hold a finite number of heat particles and heat particles repel each other and will escape the container.
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #158 on: 28/01/2023 21:05:26 »
Quote from: Origin on 28/01/2023 20:38:43
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 17:41:57
The third temple has not been built yet.
You can see the future? 
No. I can't tell the future. The future of civilization has not been determined yet. Actions at present determine the future. The results of the experiment could provide me the keys to the temple.
« Last Edit: 30/01/2023 10:20:59 by Yaniv »
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Re: Biblical Flood
« Reply #159 on: 28/01/2023 22:00:22 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 28/01/2023 20:59:02
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/01/2023 20:34:51
A vaporized metal is still a gas. If we have that gas in a container, will it lose all of its weight?
No, because gas atoms can hold a finite number of heat particles and heat particles repel each other and will escape the container.

Given that gases can reach millions or billions of degrees in the cores of stars and supernova, that sample of gas with merely 200,000 times the energy of the original metal is nowhere remotely close to the limit of how much heat a gas can hold.
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