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What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?

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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #40 on: 23/09/2023 23:18:38 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/09/2023 19:46:16
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Jump starting gasoline cars is usually needed because of dead battery. It requires good condition of other components. It also requires high power. Normally, the engine is started using 12V car battery, and can draw current to hundreds of Amperes typically 400A, hence 4.8 kW is required. When the power is too low, it would be cooled down by the fuel and fail to ignite.
When I couldn't afford a new starter battery, I used to start my old Skoda MB with a 12V dry battery temporarily attached to the ignition system. The starter battery only had to crank the motor over one or two revolutions before it picked up and the dynamo (pre-alternator days!) put some life back into it. Adding a diode in the "proper" supply line made it all very easy! 
It seems like a capacitor can help, like in a camera flash.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #41 on: 23/09/2023 23:20:37 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/09/2023 19:52:35
Incidentally the idea of encapsulating the HV generator in paraffin wax (candle wax) is a good one - makes life a lot safer and provides mechanical protection for the coil too. I built a 100 kV 10 mA unit about 50 years ago with a voltage multiplier inside a liter of paraffin wax, driven by a 20 kHz oscillator. Great fun!
Did you consider heat dissipation?
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #42 on: 25/09/2023 09:16:56 »
Just found another great experiment using high voltage generator.
Supercharging plastic bottle to Breakdown

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In this experiment, we use a high voltage multiplier to supercharge a thick plastic bottle to the point where the charge can no longer be contained. The results are spectacular. The plastic of the bottle holds an incredible amount of charge towards the end of the experiment.

Here are my questions to the author.
After the flash over, is the bottle positively charged, or negatively charged instead? How would you determine it?
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #43 on: 25/09/2023 09:31:58 »
Quite possibly both.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #44 on: 27/09/2023 03:31:03 »
Here's the answer by the author of the video above.
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The outside of the bottle is negative. The inside of the bottle is positive. The net overall charge of the bottle with respect to earth ground is zero. The polarity could be determined by how it lights up a neon bulb. The negative terminal in a neon bulb containing two terminals would light up brighter than the positive terminal.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #45 on: 16/10/2023 06:35:15 »
Just found a great video showing a phenomenon I've tried to show before.

Point discharge experiment

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The experiment shows that positive electricity prefers the pointed electrode; negative electricity prefers the disk-shaped electrode. In the early days of X-ray technology, this effect was used to eliminate the closing current from a spark inductor and to supply only the opening current to the X-ray tube.

I've made an attempt to show the difference in behavior between positively charged and negatively charged electrodes in atmospheric spark gaps. Unlike this video, I only used one pair of electrodes. I tried to adjust the gap between the pointy and blunt electrodes to show electric spark in one direction only, but didn't work.
When the gap was too small, the spark occurred in both direction. When the gap was too big, the spark didn't occur in both direction.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #46 on: 16/10/2023 10:17:35 »
I have a follow up experiment idea. Repeat the experiment with double spark gaps like that, but the gaps are adjustable independently. Find out how much difference is needed to make both gaps produce electric spark.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #47 on: 19/10/2023 22:46:05 »
Here's another way to demonstrate a use of high voltage generator.

Asymmetric thrust capacitor can be used as a speaker.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #48 on: 30/10/2023 06:56:28 »
This video may give some inspiration for the next experiments using high voltage generators.

Arcs, Sparks and Jacob's Ladders

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For Halloween, here is a quick look and  electrical arcs and discharges, much like you often see in the old Frankenstein movies and the wonderful TV shows from the 60s like The Munsters and The Addams Family.  Also included are many of the things we use sparks for in our everyday lives including spark plugs, lighting gas stoves, flash tubes, fluorescent lights, neon bulbs, and arc welding.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #49 on: 14/11/2023 11:03:31 »
This video is also interesting. I think I'll try to replicate it using my high voltage generator.

Basics of electrostatics - Episode 12: Influence
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Influence is a consequence of the force effect between electrical charges. We explain and show what happens.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #50 on: 14/11/2023 11:46:36 »
The channel also have many other interesting videos with electrostatics phenomena. But this one especially made me curious.
Basics of electrostatics - Episode 3: Why does a tip discharge differently than a ball?

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We show you what effect a tip and a ball have on PVC tubes which are charged with electrostatics.

The electric charge on the PVC pipes must go somewhere, presumably to the needle. Can this transfer of electric charges be stopped by a plastic sheet between them? Can it be stopped by a Faraday cage instead?
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #51 on: 21/11/2023 13:05:49 »
Tesla Coil Plasma Rectification
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In this experiment a high frequency high voltage diode is connected to the breakout point of a tesla coil to see if the Tesla coil will produce DC high voltage output instead of alternating current electric field .

I think some interesting effects by rectified tesla coil can also be replicated by my high voltage DC generator.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #52 on: 14/12/2023 02:36:25 »

The Wimshurst machine used in the video can be replaced by my high voltage DC generator.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #53 on: 16/01/2024 12:50:43 »
I think it would be interesting to replicate the experiment in this video using my high voltage generator.

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Here is an interesting experiment that I am replicating from the JNL website. It is high voltage electrolysis that creates a an underwater plasma, but only on the negative electrode. It requires the use a asymmetrical electrodes, and I must admit, I can not explain the physics behind this phenomenon!? A very interesting video to say the least! Included is a link to the JNL webpage.
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/index.htm
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The Asymmetrical Plasma Electrolysis (APE) is a simple experiment which can be easily performed with few material and uses a common lab equipement. This experiment will demonstrate you very easily that a glow discharge plasma can be observed on the CATHOD during an electrolysis process at a high voltage ( ~ 200 V DC ).

This is the main process used during the high temperature plasma electrolysis (CFR) experiment from Tadahiko Mizuno from the university of Hokkaido in Japan.
A similar experiment has also been performed by Renzo Mondaini (Italy).

To conduct this experiment you need :

1 auto-transformer (0-270V) 13A, 3.51 KVA
1 circuit breaker (230V, 16A )
2 diodes 400 V 5A
1 capacitor 2200 ?F, 500V
1 borrosilicate beaker ( 1000 mL )
2 pure tugnsten rods (commonly used for TIG welding) 2 mm diameter 150 mm length
400 mL of a solution of Potassium Carbonate (K2CO3) at 0.2 M
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #54 on: 05/02/2024 06:15:46 »
Another interesting experiment can be done with the high voltage generator.
Electricity and Magnetism 3 William Gilbert and the Versorium
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Learn about William Gilbert and his electric charge detecting instrument, the versorium.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #55 on: 10/02/2024 06:12:12 »
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Why moving charges produce magnetic field?

He asks an interesting question at around 14:45.
Does magnetic field not exist at all? Is it only electric field and Coulomb's law?
This raise a curious question, does a stationary electric charge affect a needle magnet?
Our voltage generator seems to have the capacity to answer this question.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #56 on: 10/02/2024 12:02:27 »
This video presents a safety precautions for playing with electrostatic applications.

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We show you how dagerous propagating brush discharges could be.
Welcome to episode 16 of our knowledge series "Basics of electrostatics".
With this series we want to share our know how about electrostatics with you to make electrostatic applications safer.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #57 on: 10/02/2024 12:07:50 »
There's another experiment I'm interested to replicate.

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there is wood chips from my garden in the water. The plasma is ignited on the water and  attracts the wood chips in all directions.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #58 on: 17/02/2024 22:45:54 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/04/2023 14:39:42
Recently I found out that Rowland made experiment with rotating copper disc at high voltage which can move small magnetic needles. In other words, moving charged conductor produces magnetic field. Unfortunately I can't find the reference in Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Augustus_Rowland

It's possible that the magnet simply moved due to Eddy current. If that's the case, removing the voltage should have no effect. I guess we can find out by replicating the experiment. I'm curious why it's not more widely known.
This is an interesting experiment to do. I think it can be done using my high voltage generator.
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Re: What phenomena can be demonstrated by a cheap high voltage generator?
« Reply #59 on: 25/02/2024 16:34:46 »
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Making lightning is fun, and I built a Static electric gun to do just that. It can shoot static across the room, and also deliver a really serious charge.
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