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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #140 on: 03/09/2023 09:56:25 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:46:57
So when they use fluorocarbons in air conditioning, and they put pressure on the gas turning it into a hot liquid, this is not an example of pressure creating heat?
That's correct. It isn't pressure creating heat.
The heat is released because the molecules are, in effect, "sticky".
It's called latent heat of vapourisation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of_vaporization


Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:46:57
That's true though if you guys are so smart why aren't you ahead? seriously.
Ahead of what?
As I just pointed out in my last two posts here, you do not seem to know what you are talking about.
So, at least we are ahead of you.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #141 on: 03/09/2023 10:53:24 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/09/2023 09:56:25
Ahead of what?
As I just pointed out in my last two posts here, you do not seem to know what you are talking about.
So, at least we are ahead of you.

How again is gravity created according to your whatever it is you rely on for 'truth'?
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #142 on: 03/09/2023 11:08:59 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 10:53:24
How again is gravity created according to your whatever it is you rely on for 'truth'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity#Einstein_field_equations
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #143 on: 03/09/2023 18:01:37 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:27:28
So you honestly believe the core is slowly producing heat through radioactive decay and then slowly releasing it through the crust.

Yes.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:27:28
In the meantime the radiating heat is just sitting in the core waiting to be released through what? a volcano?

It isn't "radiating heat", it's just "heat". And the heat isn't released only through volcanoes. It's also released through conduction. At least some of the warmth of the crust comes from internal heating.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:27:28
Tell me what object can you heat up to molten temperatures in the center, and still be able to hold it because 90% of it is 'blanketing' the molten center making its shell room temperature?

The Earth, because that's how it is.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:27:28
No such material exists.

Clearly it does, given that's how the Earth works.

What I said earlier about the first law of thermodynamics is true. Take the core out of the Earth and the heat inside of it cannot spontaneously disappear. That heat represents a form of energy. Energy cannot be destroyed. It will remain there until it is radiated away. A ball of metal at thousands of degrees glows and radiates heat.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:27:28
Dinosaurs.

And that has what to do with any of this?

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:46:57
seriously. you are much like chatGPT spitting out wiki answers. Is that smart?

It is if the answers are correct.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:46:57
Am I seriously taking you guys serious anymore?

If not, you're free to leave. Keep up the snarky attitude and we'll help you with that.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #144 on: 03/09/2023 23:23:30 »
Well since you guys are so gun ho on evidence, perhaps this little experiment... Put weight pressure on six sides of a hexagon that squeezes a core, see if it heats up. Could be free energy from gravity if you put enough pressure on each side you could boil water with the core, then the core would magically re absorb heat from the atmosphere.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #145 on: 03/09/2023 23:36:18 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 23:23:30
weight pressure
What did you think that meant?
Weight and pressure are not the same thing; they have different units.
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 23:23:30
Could be free energy from gravity
No; it can't.
Try to avoid such silly ideas.
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 23:23:30
if you put enough pressure on each side you could boil water
High pressure makes it harder to boil things.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 09:46:57
Am I seriously taking you guys serious anymore?
It doesn't look like it.
You seem to be deliberately posting stuff that would embarrass a teenager in a science class.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #146 on: 04/09/2023 00:55:50 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 23:23:30
Well since you guys are so gun ho on evidence, perhaps this little experiment... Put weight pressure on six sides of a hexagon that squeezes a core, see if it heats up. Could be free energy from gravity if you put enough pressure on each side you could boil water with the core, then the core would magically re absorb heat from the atmosphere.

That wouldn't be free energy.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #147 on: 05/09/2023 00:19:19 »
It has to be retraction of a core atoms gravity field that causes the earth's gravity field, if it was retraction of the electromagnetic shell then it would cause a magnetic field.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #148 on: 05/09/2023 00:40:10 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 00:19:19
It has to be retraction of a core atoms gravity field that causes the earth's gravity field

What does it mean for a gravity field to retract?

And it still wouldn't be free energy. Noether's theorem demonstrates this.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #149 on: 05/09/2023 00:46:20 »
Also you might get some statistics from building 6,7,8 sided blocks and using the pressure experiment, find out how much pressure and temperature can build up in the center. The difference between each block might be a clue for other characteristics.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #150 on: 05/09/2023 00:54:59 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/09/2023 00:40:10
What does it mean for a gravity field to retract?

The gravity field of the nucleus can't convert it's gravitational pull into movement so the field retracts on itself. Might be a clue into molecular formation. So overlapping gravity fields don't cause them to retract but pulls the two objects together, then because of the shell repulsion, the pull of gravity is converted into retraction of the gravity field's like two knots pulling on each other making them tighter.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #151 on: 05/09/2023 05:01:06 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 00:54:59
The gravity field of the nucleus can't convert it's gravitational pull into movement

Yes it can. Forces are good at doing that.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 00:54:59
so the field retracts on itself.

I asked you what it means for a gravitational field to retract and you answer by saying that it retracts. That doesn't help me understand what you mean.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 00:54:59
Might be a clue into molecular formation.

The gravitational pull between two atoms is practically nonexistent. The electromagnetic force is responsible for molecule formation.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #152 on: 05/09/2023 06:39:42 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/09/2023 05:01:06
I asked you what it means for a gravitational field to retract and you answer by saying that it retracts. That doesn't help me understand what you mean.
Ok Ok, Lets say your nucleus has a temperature of 10 from pressure heat, a gravity field that tapers off from 10 to 1, and the surrounding space which is 1. If you raise the temperature of space to 2, what happens to the gravity field? It's edge that is touching space will become as dense and hot as the surrounding space, this will send density and temperature backwards into the nucleus. So when you pack all the atom's tight and there gravity fields overlap, this is what happens the temperature of space increases between the atom's.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #153 on: 05/09/2023 07:30:07 »
When an object falls into a gravity field like earth's the outer edge of the object's gravity field 'sheds' or retracts its layers as it enters the earth's gravity field and it falls lets say 100 feet per mm of the object's gravity field retraction. How much is the earth's mass and the object's?

Actually a smarter equation to find the mass of earth might involve going up in space and statistics from two known masses like metal sphere's and how long it takes for them to come together travelling x distance. Then use those variables to calculate the mass of earth. I saw a video way back when of just this type of thing in space but haven't found it since.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #154 on: 05/09/2023 11:27:15 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
Lets say your nucleus has a temperature of 10 from pressure heat,
It doesn't. So let's not say that.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #155 on: 05/09/2023 14:36:46 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
Ok Ok, Lets say your nucleus has a temperature of 10 from pressure heat

Given that an atomic nucleus in its ground state does not produce radiation, it's a rather dubious idea that it has a temperature at all (and no, there is no difference between "pressure heat" and "radiating heat").

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
a gravity field that tapers off from 10 to 1, and the surrounding space which is 1.

Gravitational fields and empty space don't have temperatures.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
If you raise the temperature of space to 2, what happens to the gravity field?

You can't raise the temperature of empty space.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
It's edge that is touching space will become as dense and hot as the surrounding space

First of all, gravitational fields don't have an edge: they extend infinitely. Second of all, gravitational fields don't have a density or a temperature.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
this will send density and temperature backwards into the nucleus.

I can't make sense of this.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
So when you pack all the atom's tight and there gravity fields overlap,

All gravitational fields already overlap whether the atoms are close or not. This is because gravity is a force that follows the inverse square law and never goes to zero strength with distance.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 06:39:42
this is what happens the temperature of space increases between the atom's.

No it doesn't, because space doesn't have a temperature.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 07:30:07
When an object falls into a gravity field like earth's the outer edge of the object's gravity field

Gravitational fields don't have an edge.

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 07:30:07
the outer edge of the object's gravity field 'sheds' or retracts its layers as it enters the earth's gravity field

I'm not sure what this means but I'm pretty sure there's no evidence for it.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #156 on: 05/09/2023 19:30:30 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 07:30:07
I saw a video way back when of just this type of thing in space but haven't found it since.
Good.
Any such video should have been deleted.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #157 on: 05/09/2023 20:21:47 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/09/2023 11:08:59
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/09/2023 10:53:24
How again is gravity created according to your whatever it is you rely on for 'truth'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity#Einstein_field_equations
Is this video an analogy of what you believe?
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #158 on: 05/09/2023 20:45:35 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 20:21:47
Is this video an analogy of what you believe?

"Analogy" being the operative word here.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #159 on: 05/09/2023 21:06:02 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 05/09/2023 20:21:47
Is this video an analogy of what you believe?
Anything that mimics gravity is an analogy to how I think gravity works.
So what?
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