[Exodus (OP)]

Just wondering about this one beacause the debate has been going on for years with some people saying yes and others no... wondered if any scientific study has been done on it yet?

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[gsmollin]

I have no scientific data, but I once caught a trout, and released it. It swam back to the same hole it was in before I caught it. I cast back to it, and it hit the fly again. Now if the trout were feeling much pain, would it have hit the fly a second time?

[chris]

Maybe the hunger pangs were more uncomfortable than the hook ?!

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

[Exodus (OP)]

or maybe it just forgot...

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[neilep]

I just attached some fish fingers to a hook and there was no flapping about !!..Q E D !!!!

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[neilep]

OY..cheeky matey!!...what did you do to my post ?

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

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What post?

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[Exodus (OP)]

quote:Originally posted by neilep@dsl.pipex.com

OY..cheeky matey!!...what did you do to my post ?

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

LOL i tried to reply with a quote and clicked the edit button by mistake... apologies apologies! []

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[bezoar]

Someone told me that fish have a 20 second memory.  When the girls were younger, the kids in the neighborhood used to bring me any injured animal and because I was a nurse, they figured I'd know what to do with it.  The thing I noticed was, and I sutured up many an animal at my kitchen table, is that they didn't seem to need anesthesia.  I used to inject a local, but one time I ran out, and the animal didn't seem to mind the suturing at all.  After that, I quit using locals.  It seemed like after they were hurt they must have released enormous amounts of endorphins.  And if you think about it, when you see those shows on the nature channel with animals fully conscious as lions are eating out their entrails, they lie there calmly and don't appear to be in any pain.  Any veterinarians that can explain that?

[neilep]

Nancy, regarding the suturing and animals being calm while they become lunch .......could it just not be that the animals are just totally scared stiff ?...but I do agree about the enormous rush of endorphins....I remember when I was 11 and broke my arm....I passed out for a second, and all I can remember is feeling dizzy and hardly any pain, though it's safe to say I was defintely traumatised for a while, could the endorphins have been in effect there too ?

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[MayoFlyFarmer]

I don't know how how you wouyld think that fish don't feel pain being caught. (not that this stops me from spending my saturday afternoons on the lake) but try putting a fishhook through your lip and tugging on it while using every last ounce of energy in your body to pull against what you guess is certain death.

We don't want the loonies taking over!

[roberth]

I volunteer to do a survey next time I go fishing. I do know that when they are flapping around while you are trying to remove the hook and it goes into my finger, it causes me great pain.

[gsmollin]

quote:Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer

I don't know how how you wouyld think that fish don't feel pain being caught. (not that this stops me from spending my saturday afternoons on the lake) but try putting a fishhook through your lip and tugging on it while using every last ounce of energy in your body to pull against what you guess is certain death.

We don't want the loonies taking over!

This is called "anthropomorphizing", ascribimg human features to something that is not human. You or I would feel pain, no doubt. But it is not so easy with a simpler animal. The fish puts up a tremendous battle, and is not frozen with fear, or pain.

[MayoFlyFarmer]

I still think their neurons would be telling them something is wrong

We don't want the loonies taking over!

[Exodus (OP)]

quote:Originally posted by roberth

I volunteer to do a survey next time I go fishing. I do know that when they are flapping around while you are trying to remove the hook and it goes into my finger, it causes me great pain.

Will you be going fishing in mid June to July Robert? Just wondering cos i'll be in Australia then and was wondering if there would be any space for a little big man to join you? []

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[roberth]

quote:Originally posted by Exodus

Will you be going fishing in mid June to July Robert? Just wondering cos i'll be in Australia then and was wondering if there would be any space for a little big man to join you? []

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Chris already mentioned that you'd be keen to go fishing so I'm trying to ensure we have a trip at the time you're here. Nothing like a cold beer at 5:30 am on a chilly winter morning to warm the soul (or sole, depending on where you're cold).

[chris]

Hi Rob

yes, please do let us know when the June / July trip is so we can hopefully tag along. We are supposed to be going to Cairns and I'm also supposed to be going to Townsville some time in June, so if you could let us know soon that will help to avoid a clash. I'm well up for it.

Chris

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

[Exodus (OP)]

quote:Originally posted by chris

Hi Rob

yes, please do let us know when the June / July trip is so we can hopefully tag along. We are supposed to be going to Cairns and I'm also supposed to be going to Townsville some time in June, so if you could let us know soon that will help to avoid a clash. I'm well up for it.

Chris

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

woohoo, cheers rob...

[neilep]

quote:Originally posted by gsmollin

quote:Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer

I don't know how how you wouyld think that fish don't feel pain being caught. (not that this stops me from spending my saturday afternoons on the lake) but try putting a fishhook through your lip and tugging on it while using every last ounce of energy in your body to pull against what you guess is certain death.

This is called "anthropomorphizing", ascribimg human features to something that is not human. You or I would feel pain, no doubt. But it is not so easy with a simpler animal. The fish puts up a tremendous battle, and is not frozen with fear, or pain.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you gsmollin, but how can you be absolutely sure that the fish is not experiencing pain ?..surely that is one of natures defence mechanisms. !!

'Men are the same as women...just inside out !'

[Donnah]

Once you reach maximum pain level, there is no more, and you kind of lose your mind.  It's like a psychological meltdown.  I wonder if it's the same for fish?  All the same, when I catch one I dispatch it quickly to prevent the possibility of suffering.  Some people say that the fish tastes fresher if you keep it alive, but I think all that stress has to get into the meat (yuk!).