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Just Chat! / Re: Can science prove God exists?
« on: 19/04/2020 09:36:24 »
Evidence for God (and Christ). If this is a forgery, it is remarkable. What impresses me is the photographic negative effect. Did God have a hand in manipulating the forgery?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/shroud-of-turin-mystery-italy/index.html
Ever since the 1988 pronouncement, the Shroud -- or the Sindone, as it's called in Italy -- has continued to draw people to Turin. For some, the visit changes their life. Take David Rolfe, for example -- a skeptic when in 1978 he made his first documentary, "The Silent Witness."
"The feeling back then was that it was a medieval forgery," he tells CNN. "Relics were huge business, and the Shroud was the ace of relics. Whenever it came out, hundreds of people came to see it."
Rolfe thought it was a "spectacular forgery" and, with his documentary, set out to prove how it had been created.
But making the film, he started to rethink. He saw the VP8 3D images. He learned there was no "directionality" to the image, as one applied with a brush would have. He interviewed a forensic pathologist who said it was a "particularly accurate construction of a Roman crucifixion" -- not least the wounds in the wrists, rather than the palms, with "missing" thumbs thought to be caused by nerve damage or a retracted thumb.
It was unlikely, he thought, that a medieval forger would have such a command of human anatomy. (Professor Michael Tite, who supervised the carbon dating, has also remarked on this -- but he posits that while the Shroud is indeed the burial cloth of a crucifixion victim, it is a medieval one, from a Christian who was tortured. Tite declined to speak to CNN.)
The film played to sold-out audiences around the world and won a BAFTA. Rolfe had made his name professionally, but, he says, "I'd been too busy making the film to think about the transformation it had made to my life."
"I found [the Shroud] a work of sublime genius. I saw no evidence of man in it, and I thought, yes, I believe this was caused by a miracle and the only thing it could have been was the resurrection."
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/shroud-of-turin-mystery-italy/index.html
Ever since the 1988 pronouncement, the Shroud -- or the Sindone, as it's called in Italy -- has continued to draw people to Turin. For some, the visit changes their life. Take David Rolfe, for example -- a skeptic when in 1978 he made his first documentary, "The Silent Witness."
"The feeling back then was that it was a medieval forgery," he tells CNN. "Relics were huge business, and the Shroud was the ace of relics. Whenever it came out, hundreds of people came to see it."
Rolfe thought it was a "spectacular forgery" and, with his documentary, set out to prove how it had been created.
But making the film, he started to rethink. He saw the VP8 3D images. He learned there was no "directionality" to the image, as one applied with a brush would have. He interviewed a forensic pathologist who said it was a "particularly accurate construction of a Roman crucifixion" -- not least the wounds in the wrists, rather than the palms, with "missing" thumbs thought to be caused by nerve damage or a retracted thumb.
It was unlikely, he thought, that a medieval forger would have such a command of human anatomy. (Professor Michael Tite, who supervised the carbon dating, has also remarked on this -- but he posits that while the Shroud is indeed the burial cloth of a crucifixion victim, it is a medieval one, from a Christian who was tortured. Tite declined to speak to CNN.)
The film played to sold-out audiences around the world and won a BAFTA. Rolfe had made his name professionally, but, he says, "I'd been too busy making the film to think about the transformation it had made to my life."
"I found [the Shroud] a work of sublime genius. I saw no evidence of man in it, and I thought, yes, I believe this was caused by a miracle and the only thing it could have been was the resurrection."