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And what about when I was an atheist and experienced psychic phenomena?
Alan insisted that the trash that we call the N.T, was not even written for 200 years after Christ was crucified and raised from the grave.
Your post is quite logical and makes sense. But what happens if a God decides to involve a person in a phenomenon without being invoked? Like my knowing a biker would die about 5 minutes. I got the impression that God did that to demonstrate his existence to me. And what about when I was an atheist and experienced psychic phenomena?I suppose it means that you lack the proof that God involved.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 12:21:34Remember the movie "The Truman Show". They used technology and spies and manipulation to prevent him from knowing what the truth of his existence was. God is like that, only almost infinitely greater.So, evil and exploitative then.Nice.
Remember the movie "The Truman Show". They used technology and spies and manipulation to prevent him from knowing what the truth of his existence was. God is like that, only almost infinitely greater.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 06:23:47Your post is quite logical and makes sense. But what happens if a God decides to involve a person in a phenomenon without being invoked? Like my knowing a biker would die about 5 minutes. I got the impression that God did that to demonstrate his existence to me. And what about when I was an atheist and experienced psychic phenomena?I suppose it means that you lack the proof that God involved.The situation is worse than just lacking proof - which is correct anyway.Christians, who incidentally believe in God, also believe that information derived from Tarot cards, spirits, psychic phenomena, etc originate from the devil. The idea is that he gives away true titbits of information to the gullible so that they will believe the big lie he gives it to them eg 5G + Covid19. So Christians would say you are an agent of the devil, and you have no proof that you are not.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 06:23:47And what about when I was an atheist and experienced psychic phenomena?You don't need a god to experience things you can't explain. Charlatans invoke a god to avoid having to explain things or deal with the inexplicable, but it's generally more useful, interesting and profitable (and fun) to investigate.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 12:21:34But when you go to a doctor and tell them you have neurological problems like pain and memory loss and tingling sensations, you do not expect them to tell you it should not be happening because all the current scientific tests do not indicate any known problem.Have you tried fMRI tests?
But when you go to a doctor and tell them you have neurological problems like pain and memory loss and tingling sensations, you do not expect them to tell you it should not be happening because all the current scientific tests do not indicate any known problem.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 12:27:42God did answer my daughter's prayers when he got lung cancer and they were told he had a less than 10% chance. Perhaps God enjoyed the prayers He received as a result of giving that innocent man cancer.
God did answer my daughter's prayers when he got lung cancer and they were told he had a less than 10% chance.
There's certainly enough in your experience to warrant investigation, but none of it confirms the existence of an invisible third party.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/04/2020 12:41:36Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 12:21:34Remember the movie "The Truman Show". They used technology and spies and manipulation to prevent him from knowing what the truth of his existence was. God is like that, only almost infinitely greater.So, evil and exploitative then.Nice.Trust you to extend my analogy past the similarities.
Quote from: CliveG on 14/04/2020 09:10:24Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/04/2020 12:41:36Quote from: CliveG on 13/04/2020 12:21:34Remember the movie "The Truman Show". They used technology and spies and manipulation to prevent him from knowing what the truth of his existence was. God is like that, only almost infinitely greater.So, evil and exploitative then.Nice.Trust you to extend my analogy past the similarities.Trust you not to recognise the similarity.
Quote from: lunar7 on 07/07/2019 21:21:19One only needs to look at the world around them to see that only God can create life.Define what your god is?
One only needs to look at the world around them to see that only God can create life.
Quote from: pensador on 10/07/2019 17:38:34Quote from: lunar7 on 07/07/2019 21:21:19One only needs to look at the world around them to see that only God can create life.Define what your god is? Actually anything can become a God to a person. It's what they value most or consider most important what they worship in ignorance or awareness.
noun1.(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.2.(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
Quote from: duffyd on 11/04/2020 01:19:58Alan insisted that the trash that we call the N.T, was not even written for 200 years after Christ was crucified and raised from the grave. No I didn't. I never suggested he was "raised from the grave", ***HOLD ON Dr. AL!, you most certainly did. You quoted numerous words from the N.T. proving HE was a Rabbi. Don't pick and choose. If you believe those words, you believe the words about the resurrection.*** only that if a rock can be moved into place by humans, it can be moved away by the same agents. If God had done it, there would have been no need to move the stone. This the bible seems to contradict rather than support the idea of resurrection. ***Who would roll it away, Al? The Romans stole it? The disciples who would use the corpse to prove HE rose from the dead? Since the Acts of the Apostles and all the Epistles deal with what people did after Jesus died, they cannot possibly have been written when he was alive. It's worth reading the NT before basing your philosophy on a misinterpretation of it, and always remember to engage brain before operating mouth.
I made a summary for my daughter:The bottom line is that cell towers are very bad, cell phone use should be minimized and WiFi should not be used unless necessary.My symptoms. Which varied depending on exposure and time.Typical radiation values (in peak uW/sqm) are: 3,000 in old house next to tower, 300 next to other towers, 30 when I screen our old house, 2 in suburbia away from a tower, 0.2 in our new house, 0.02 in the country-side and on holiday. The legal limit is 10,000,000 which uses heating as a criteria.A sharp rise in tinnitusNoticed that a drop in hearing which got worse with timeDisturbed sleep waking tired scrambled dreamsMemory loss and problems spelling.Mental confusion.Skin growths on my forehead.Clumsiness and dyslexia loss of balanceFour episodes of brief full body convulsionsHand tremorsNauseaHeadachesAnxiety and irritability.Irregular heatbeat at times.Higher than usual blood pressure.Peripheral neuropathy in feet and toes.Frequent diarrhoeaSevere and sharp pain in my right eye socket near my nose3 metal tooth fillings fractured and brokeKnee replacement healing reversed when exposedBurning sensation in my right hip where a nerve was being compressed.Sharp stabbing pain in my side where I have a neuroma and the nerves have no myelin sheath.My wife had similar symptoms (excepting teeth and knee) but not as bad. However, she had had facial basal cell carcinoma and a melanoma on her chest. She said if her cell phone was next to her at night she would feel unwell.Our dogs showed depression and hearing loss.