[AB Hammer]

LMAO Bikerman

 I can afford to laugh for you have it and you don't. I already have what I need. Bessler went through the same type of statements from those who attacked him as well. So I feel I am in good company. [] [] [] 

[AB Hammer]

 I figure I would clarify what I said.(you have it and you don't.)

I have given all the information you need, but you don't have the foresight to use it. you allow your teachings to cloud allot of your possibilities. So all and all you will just have to wait. Another forum I spent some time on did experiments and they where skeptics as well, but they put it to a true testing and even tried to do simulations and even a build. All from the design I posted here as well. []

[Bored chemist]

Until you have a working machine nobody will believe you.
Stop posting; start building

[Pumblechook]

Any news from the MIT prof who reckoned he could transmit power several metres through the air by radio with very little loss?   He hadn't demonstrated it but had proved (?) mathematically it could be done. 

[Don_1 (OP)]

The problem everyone will encounter with most systems planned and dreamt up is in the fact that they all have common problems; wear on moving parts which contact other parts, friction and gravity.

Why does everyone assume that perpetual motion must be a stable and uniform motion?

[Don_1 (OP)]

In this diagram, two permanent magnets are suspended from a gantry with fishing line. The N & S poles are aligned with each other. Gravity will pull them down, but the like poles will push them apart. Would they eventually stop moving? Does the external force of gravity exclude this from the accepted term of perpetual motion? Is this too simplistic to work?

What say you?[diagram=377_0]

[dentstudent]

Isn't there an awful lot of energy that has gone into the polarisation of the magnets in the first place?

[Don_1 (OP)]

Good point!

[AB Hammer]

Until you have a working machine nobody will believe you.
Stop posting; start building

@ Bored chemist

 The reason I went looking for another forum is because I have been stuck in the house with phenomena and now that I am getting over it I have to do my living work first before I can get back to my hobby work. I have built around 30 wheels and untold amount of test over the last year and a half, as well as designed around 400 wheels, and have helped others with designs counting around 40. Hands on tell you more than any math can tell you when it comes to balances and effects. I have had 3 near runners up to date.

[AB Hammer]

The problem everyone will encounter with most systems planned and dreamt up is in the fact that they all have common problems; wear on moving parts which contact other parts, friction and gravity.

Why does everyone assume that perpetual motion must be a stable and uniform motion?

 Fortunately wear and tear is accepted in the real world, when it come to machines. But Gravity is your friend once you learn how to use it. Also the reason people look for a uniform motion is for smoothness and it will work more expectantly with modern day machine designs the way they are expected to work.

[lyner]

ABH

I have had 3 near runners up to date.

That's like saying you're almost a virgin. PM is an absolute.

Don_1
Your two magnets will eventually come to rest with the strings pushed outwards a bit - depending on actual angles and magnet strengths etc.  Balancing forces has nothing to do with transferring energy. This is SO fundamental. If you are to have a sensible conversation about these things you can't avoid the meanings and the definitions of Energy, Work, Efficiency etc.
A force of 100N, 10000N or 100000N can't do any work until it starts to MOVE something. Just sitting there doesn't involve any energy transfer at all.

You know, there really are better things to concern oneself with than what is, frankly, untried nonsense. If these odd ideas were to have any merit, the PM machine would have been working and giving us free energy for years. It hasn't because much much greater minds than yours have applied themselves to it and concluded that it is a failure. Let's be a little humble before we say that past Science is full of dolts who have 'missed something'.
How many, would-be, PM inventors have managed to understand all of Newtonian Mechanics, Classical EM theory and Classical Thermodynamics? You'd need to be at least that smart before you could reject the Science which has shown how much nonsense PM is. Optimism and arrogance are not enough.

[Bikerman]

I have to agree.
People seem very ready to reject classical physics without really understanding it.
Many of them (and I'm not suggesting this applies here) even cite quantum physics to support their lack of understanding of classical physics, thus we frequently see;
"don't bother learning Newtonian physics because it's all quantum innit"

Once you have a sound understanding of classical physics (which includes the boundaries where it breaks down) then you can take a more considered view of this type of proposal. Unfortunately for the proponents, the considered view is - it dun't work!

[lyner]

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
How can you possibly claim to understand the new stuff if you don't get the stuff it's based on. I think it's a love of buzz words rather than a love of trying to understand things.

[Don_1 (OP)]

WOWGOLDS, BUZZ OFF!

[lyner]

Warcraft. That says it all.
Fantasy.

[dentstudent]

WOWGOLDS, BUZZ OFF!

I've just reported them.....

[daveshorts]

I have fairly comprehensively banned wowgolds

[Don_1 (OP)]

sophiecentaur, This was not an attempt to outsmart anyone or anything of the sort, my appologies if it came across that way, it was really just a thought and as I asked 'would the magnets eventually come to rest?' was an admission of the probable failings of such a set-up.

BTW, I don't think that any PM machine, even if one could be invented, would be able to generate power in excess of the power it requires to move itself.

[lyner]

Don_1
Sorry if I over reacted but this thread has been verging on the ridiculous.
Any system which is free to move will come to rest, eventually, in a minimum energy state as energy is lost from it. It's only a matter of time.

[Bikerman]

Don_1
Sorry if I over reacted but this thread has been verging on the ridiculous.
Any system which is free to move will come to rest, eventually, in a minimum energy state as energy is lost from it. It's only a matter of time.

Careful Sophie...you need to qualify that....