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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17960 on: 07/03/2021 13:26:09 »
And then there is the question of if we already are in a tipping. You don't need the Arctic ice disappearing for it, or Greenland. You just need a bad enough mixture of what we do and what we don't do. And then the assumption that we can't change.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17961 on: 07/03/2021 14:02:07 »
the 'Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' misses some points, as Iran and USA still being on different time tables and with different goals. It doesn't mention that Israel is building out its nuclear facility or that Saudi Arabia clearly have stated its ambition to get hold of nuclear technology, one way or another. Then we have USA stationing bombers in Norway to make a point to Russia about the gas and oil 'assets' still existing there. Then we have China and USA, and their trade war.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-climate-climate-change-china-united-states-df64409a9dbffef8d3de8f34e6cf10a8
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/message-russia-four-b-1-bombers-have-arrived-norway-178898

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17962 on: 07/03/2021 14:15:46 »
Pledges doesn't count, at least not so far.
Four B-1 bombers actually do.
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« Reply #17963 on: 07/03/2021 14:19:57 »
And here's the time line.    https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/timeline/
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17964 on: 07/03/2021 14:37:03 »
So why does Mr Putin build out Russia's nuclear capacity?

One reason might be that he's tired of being looked at as a 'outdated nuclear Superpower'. Another might be that maxim, negotiating with a smile, and a hammer hidden. " "We are not going to take anything away from anybody. We have everything we need," he said. "Russia’s strong military is a guarantor of peace on our planet."

However, he warned: "Any use of nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies … any kind of attack … will be regarded as a nuclear attack against Russia and in response we will take action instantaneously no matter what the consequences are. Nobody should have any doubt about that." "

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-set-state-union-speech-election-looms-n852211
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« Reply #17965 on: 07/03/2021 14:42:11 »
So did he break the treaty? Well yes, I'm pretty sure he did. " But whatever Putin just said, his Chief of the General Staff General Valery Gerasimov recently publicly conceded that Russia had broken the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty signed in 1987.

Specifically, Gerasimov said, "We have formed command bodies and special units to plan the use of long-range precision-guided munitions and prepare flight assignments for all types of cruise missiles. — This has enabled us to set up full-scale units of vehicles capable of delivering precision-guided missiles to targets located up to 4,000 kilometers away."

And " Clearly, in Europe Russia dwarfs Iran as a clear and present danger and its past record shows just how little faith it puts in its own treaties and international agreements. Finally, Russia’s policies along with China’s, not to mention North Korean and Iranian programs, underscore the need for maintaining a credible and modernized nuclear deterrent. Of course, this won’t end the debate as to what that means in practice for each leg of the triad. But the idea that nuclear weapons have no appreciable strategic role in modern warfare other than to threaten other nuclear weapons appears to have been invalidated by both North Korea and Russia, if not China and Iran.

It is noteworthy that both Beijing and Moscow are not only building multiple new nuclear weapons and that Russia is extending older ones. They also are undertaking simultaneous large-scale conventional modernization. NATO, if accepts Russia’s war on the European continent is an ever-present reality and therefore must be a similar reality for it, can clearly afford to modernize both conventional and nuclear deterrents.

These revelations also call into question the idea of better relations with Russia. Undoubtedly, in principle better relations would benefit everyone. But what is the basis for negotiating new agreements with Russia if it violates all the old ones and acts like it is at war with the West? What then is the actual, not rhetorical, basis for improving bilateral relations when there can be no trust between the two states? "

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/360100-putin-is-a-very-real-nuclear-threat

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17966 on: 07/03/2021 14:45:48 »
So what happens now?

https://www.afr.com/world/europe/biden-and-putin-agree-to-extend-nuclear-treaty-20210127-p56xap

It's called 'real politik'. It might even work, sometimes.
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« Reply #17967 on: 07/03/2021 14:51:32 »
But we shouldn't forget that both nations use the same negotiation tactics. A smile and a hammer.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2021/02/24/no-way-out-why-nuclear-modernization-is-necessary-in-six-slides/

https://thebulletin.org/2021/02/why-is-america-getting-a-new-100-billion-nuclear-weapon/

It's a nuclear arms race starting all over. and now we need to add China to it. Having the ability to retaliate after a 'first strike'
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« Reply #17968 on: 07/03/2021 14:55:34 »
It's a new state we reached, of distrust. Trust is hard to build, just as peace.
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« Reply #17969 on: 07/03/2021 15:01:46 »
Now why would Mr Putin prefer President Biden before Mr Trump?

"  As I wrote in September, “In Russia, the oil and gas sector contributes almost 40% of national revenue and more than half of the exports. In Saudi Arabia, the oil and gas sector contributes about half of the country’s GDP and 70% of its exports. The national oil company, Saudi Aramco, also contributes around 60% of the government revenue, and the government employs almost 70% of all working Saudis.”

Russia’s economy is not strong at the moment. The poverty rate is high, with many Russians unable to afford necessities, and the government unable to understand the problem. The World Bank projects economic growth from this already low level to reach only between 1.6 and 1.8 percent in 2020 and 2021. Meanwhile, Putin is already facing a question of how to hold onto power after 2024 when his term ends and term limits prevent  him from continuing as president. He needs revenue and economic growth for Russia.  "

And if President Biden succeed in his ambitions, Russia will gain on it, presuming that other countries still look at oil, and specifically gas as a 'transition fuel'.    Germany f.ex.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ellenrwald/2020/02/21/putin-cant-be-rooting-for-trump-why-russia-needs-a-democrat-win/
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« Reply #17970 on: 07/03/2021 15:03:47 »
So all in all?

The wrong direction, and if those country's by some mysterious cause change their mind, a geopolitical crisis for Russia.
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« Reply #17971 on: 07/03/2021 15:05:02 »
That's also 'real politik', and will probably play a role here. It's not about global warming. It's about economy.
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« Reply #17972 on: 07/03/2021 15:07:43 »
And it takes us increasingly closer to that war. There is a best of date stamp on all weapons, after a while you need to modernize again, if you can afford it.
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« Reply #17973 on: 07/03/2021 15:10:38 »
The same with the banks, loaning out billions to gas and pipelines, coal and oil.

Real politik, and I don't care what you say there. This is the way the game works.
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« Reply #17974 on: 07/03/2021 15:12:04 »
It locks you in. It has its own logic and you become bound by it.
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« Reply #17975 on: 07/03/2021 15:15:05 »
So you will find country's everywhere, actively working on our extinction. The question becoming how it will be reached.
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« Reply #17976 on: 07/03/2021 15:16:04 »
Norway, USA, Russia, Canada, China, India, Africa and the list goes on.
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« Reply #17977 on: 07/03/2021 15:18:14 »
So no, your chances of a good outcome are constantly shrinking here. And I blame it on the game you play. Your game of inequality, based on a infinite earth.
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« Reply #17978 on: 07/03/2021 16:06:49 »
" The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) published a major report in October 2017 that estimates the nuclear weapons spending plans President Donald Trump inherited from his predecessor will cost taxpayers $1.2 trillion in inflation-adjusted dollars between fiscal years 2017 and 2046. This amounts to about 6 percent of all spending on national defense anticipated for that period, as of President Barack Obama’s final budget request to Congress in February 2016. When the effects of inflation are included, the 30-year cost would approach $1.7 trillion, according to a projection by the Arms Control Association. "

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization

Russia.

https://sipri.org/commentary/topical-backgrounder/2018/how-much-does-russia-spend-nuclear-weapons

China?  SIPRI doesn't even seem to want to guess there

but we have this. https://chinapower.csis.org/china-nuclear-weapons/
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« Reply #17979 on: 07/03/2021 16:07:35 »
That's money that we could have done something better with.
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