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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17280 on: 17/02/2021 09:48:05 »
Another part of our problem are acidifications. Of both top soil and water, and you know what?

It all interconnects. Farming practices, artificial fertilizers, pesticides,, topsoil disappearing into the oceans, global warming getting taken up creating a even worse acidic ocean. Lakes and streams getting warmer releasing CO2, the tundra doing the same, wild fires.

Ad infinitum. The lesson here is that it all interconnect. 

https://news-oceanacidification-icc.org/2021/01/06/ocean-acidification-why-the-earths-oceans-are-turning-to-acid/


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« Reply #17281 on: 17/02/2021 09:50:30 »
Actually you have to be very stupid to think that it wouldn't.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17282 on: 17/02/2021 09:57:59 »
Then we have the rest, the black swan that is us, f.ex overfishing and bottom trawling and the black swan that are migrations. We don't know there either. We know it happens but how fast and what it will mean? I don't live under water and neither do you.
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« Reply #17283 on: 17/02/2021 10:01:50 »
" The number of overfished stocks globally has tripled in half a century and today fully one-third of the world's assessed fisheries are currently pushed beyond their biological limits, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Overfishing is closely tied to bycatch—the capture of unwanted sea life while fishing for a different species. This, too, is a serious marine threat that causes the needless loss of billions of fish, along with hundreds of thousands of sea turtles and cetaceans. "

and it won't get any better. The competition will grow with declining food stocks. Just look at China.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/threats/overfishing

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« Reply #17284 on: 17/02/2021 10:10:04 »
https://www.washington.edu/news/2018/12/06/biggest-extinction-in-earths-history-caused-by-global-warming-leaving-ocean-animals-gasping-for-breath/

And the acidity.

'Black swans´, trolley logic's and geoengineerings.  Dead ends.
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« Reply #17285 on: 17/02/2021 10:20:03 »
Saw a figure that 80 % of all marine life now are migrating. Don't know where it comes from so I will let it be unsaid, and how the F* can we know? A figure more correct would be that about 80% of the oceans still are unknown and unmapped to us.

" Imagine that we are in space, about as far away as the Moon, looking back at the Earth. What does it look like? Like many astronauts, we would likely first notice that the Earth appears blue. The reason it looks blue is the oceans - about 70% of the Earth's surface consists of water. The oceans are a key element for the existence of life on Earth.

97% of all the water on Earth, and 99% of the habitable space on this planet, is in the ocean.  "

https://science.nasa.gov/earth-science/oceanography/living-ocean/
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17286 on: 17/02/2021 10:21:46 »
We have this though.  https://www.sciencealert.com/as-the-world-gets-hotter-thousands-of-species-are-fleeing-to-earth-s-poles
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« Reply #17287 on: 17/02/2021 10:32:59 »
And then there was the shells of plankton dissolving due to the oceans acidity. I should have pointed out that it can't be only plankton experiencing this. https://www.greenmatters.com/p/pacific-ocean-acidification-crab-shells

the problem with phytoplankton and related species are that they produce a awful lot of oxygen. Most of it to the oceans and its life but ?   https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/plankton/every-breath-you-take-thank-ocean
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« Reply #17288 on: 17/02/2021 10:35:31 »
You're really important, aren't you?

The driver of global warming
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« Reply #17289 on: 17/02/2021 10:50:40 »
So now we can do this.     We know who's responsible for it.            You

And we know how our social and sociological context looks, don't we?

All lies ignored.
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« Reply #17290 on: 17/02/2021 10:51:21 »
Get yourself a democracy and change the game.

Today
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« Reply #17291 on: 17/02/2021 15:20:17 »
Then you can ask yourself what it will mean for those countries situated where those migrations to the pole takes place. For colder areas there still will be marine life even if it's new species to us, at least for a while. But what will take their place in warmer waters, where most of our developing countries are placed?
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« Reply #17292 on: 19/02/2021 00:43:00 »
The polar Vortex

https://apnews.com/article/weather-polar-vortex-explained-59002405452e61d702a9839f6eb99e6f

And https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309423241_Persistent_shift_of_the_Arctic_polar_vortex_towards_the_Eurasian_continent_in_recent_decades
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« Reply #17293 on: 19/02/2021 00:44:18 »
" While both the vortex and the wave that bumped it are natural, and polar vortex breakdowns happen naturally, there is likely an element of climate change at work, but it is not a sure thing that science agrees on, Cohen, Gensini and Francis said. "

Maybe not, but we can't wait for the statistics, can we?
Thirty years?

After the fact?
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« Reply #17294 on: 19/02/2021 00:47:26 »
Yeah

It's happening, and everything interconnects, natural variablenesses and global warming, strengthening each other.
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« Reply #17295 on: 19/02/2021 00:48:54 »
And you're so f*ed up

I don't deem you the crown of anything.
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« Reply #17296 on: 19/02/2021 00:56:02 »
What it will make of those species trying to migrate to the pole is somewhat of a open question, isn't it? There exist some ideas of plankton used to warm water migrating to the pole, replacing those cold water species coming to extinction but it should still mean a loss of oxygen with those gone, and a even higher acidity in the oceans dissolving those shells. And the acidity doesn't care what species of plankton it works on.
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« Reply #17297 on: 19/02/2021 01:06:36 »
It's a world built on greed, and it's coming to its end. And you only have yourself to blame.
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« Reply #17298 on: 19/02/2021 01:08:47 »
You can't change, and you can't migrate either. You're stuck here, becoming a failed experiment on life and intelligence.
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« Reply #17299 on: 19/02/2021 01:15:50 »
You play a game of generations, in where each decade push a change away from itself, into a next generation, a next decade. You've been doing it all the way since we first realized global warming existed. And you haven't stopped. You don't change any infra structures, you don't even try to adapt. You think you do by promoting batteries and 'green' electricity, wind farms, but it's not enough and it's not a change of your infra structures at all.  So you're both greedy and stupid.
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