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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18220 on: 12/03/2021 15:04:30 »
You have two sides to it. One is the industrialized, the other will be the one that wants to get industrialized. And then you have information, and how good it is. It's rather bad in the industrialized world too, isn't it? Otherwise I wouldn't have to write about it.


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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18221 on: 12/03/2021 15:06:55 »
But it's a lot worse in our 'developing countries'. Also depending on type of government naturally, but on the whole a lot worse than ours, and our is bad enough. Took you decades to accept global warming and some of you still think it has nothing to do with us.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18222 on: 12/03/2021 15:10:21 »
Then you have our industries, those that need to disappear, or transform into something sustainable. Those drive part of your GDP, and without sharing with those losing their jobs you won't see a change. I don't really care about those industries by themselves. They've been happy go lucky the whole time, disinformation and lies. They have to take their losses themselves, not put it on us.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18223 on: 12/03/2021 15:13:45 »
But it will shrink all of our wallets. You can keep on and watch your wallet shrink that way too if you like, transforming it into blame games, wars, and extinctions but I wouldn't recommend it.
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« Reply #18224 on: 12/03/2021 15:14:46 »
Without a serious effort to share you won't have a option though. And the game is not built on it.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18225 on: 12/03/2021 15:15:26 »
No rocket science to that. No pointy hat either.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18226 on: 12/03/2021 15:59:19 »
You could say that there are two types of sharing. One exemplified by  https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2021/the-energy-charter-treaty-how-it-works/

The other exemplified by how resources and money gets transferred and shared under f.ex a epidemic. Who 'wins' on it and who 'lose' on it.

Both involves your governments and their choices. Who they 'award' and who they 'punish'.

The type of sharing I refer to doesn't exist. But it will have to. Not under this game though.


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« Reply #18227 on: 12/03/2021 16:01:25 »
So you need to change the game for it to happen. If you can't you lose, all of you.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #18228 on: 13/03/2021 02:00:59 »
When it comes to this " One example of an ongoing proceeding is the lawsuit brought against Germany by Vattenfall, the Swedish energy group. Because the company had to shut down two nuclear power plants in Germany, it is demanding compensation to the tune of €6.1 billion from the German state. The verdict is expected in May 2021. As of December 2020, 60 per cent of resolved lawsuits were been decided in favour of the investor, according to Energy Charter Dirty Secrets. "

I don't find it relevant.

I already, long time ago, wrote about Vattenfall and it's catastrophic planning for becoming a international energy giant, both as it was owned by the state before 2000 under Carl-Erik Nyquist  and after 2000 as it got even worse, then lead by Lars G Josefsson. I'm not impressed by it, and it seems to go from loss to loss since it started this international strategy. Mostly because of the incompetence shown as well as of their 'visions'.

But in this case it's about Germany deciding to dismantling its nuclear power plants directly after Vattenfall's buy of diverse energy companies, coal, gas as well as nuclear. As I say, don't look to Sweden for any ideas of how to become 'green', neither Norway or any of our Nordic country's.

and Germany are now planning to go for Natural gas, and I've written about that too with Nordstream 2 and Russia.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-28/germany-natural-gas-demand-set-to-soar-as-coal-plants-close

So not only our Swedish government, with its assorted industrial 'leaders', that becomes a joke here. Germany becomes just as big a joke, if not worse.


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« Reply #18229 on: 13/03/2021 02:12:10 »
And the point is, nuclear is not a bad choice. But it should be molten salt if you're planning for it. Sweden export 'electricity' today, generating money from it to its owners, also by that making electricity inside Sweden 'Market adapted', generating even better profits for its owners. And we need those nuclear plants we have, they deliver around half the of the energy we consume here in our cold, as well as warm, seasons.

But we're dismantling them too. So we're going to look to Germany, and their 'visions' of natural gas as a 'transition fuel'.
So f*ng incompetent.
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« Reply #18230 on: 13/03/2021 02:14:47 »
Seems like people, no matter what they write and argue about becomes one eyed. And your ideology doesn't matter for it.
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« Reply #18231 on: 13/03/2021 02:16:21 »
I try to avoid it, but I won't say I don't have opinions. They are my own, based on my sources. Nobody have anything to do with them and I don't try to make money from it either.
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« Reply #18232 on: 13/03/2021 02:20:45 »
It sux, all of it does, from Germany to Russia to Japan to Sweden to India to the UK to USA to ............

And it's a simple reason for it. It's the game you play. The 'trickle down' economy you need for your GDP to raise.
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« Reply #18233 on: 13/03/2021 02:27:55 »
And I don't think you will be able to argue against me calling it a 'trickle down' economy. The opposite is just hogwash, but the way it works is trickling down, the least amount ending in the lowest income classes. the ones with the dirtiest most manual jobs, leading to them unable to work after their pensions, no matter what a governments dreams of the same might be from some office.
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« Reply #18234 on: 13/03/2021 02:28:56 »
It's time to change it.
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« Reply #18235 on: 13/03/2021 02:34:16 »
I think a democracy and information, impartial information, can do that. If it is implemented. But it is with that as it is with your wallets, as long as somebody fills them, right? You don't f*ng care.
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« Reply #18236 on: 13/03/2021 02:34:42 »
Do you mind if I call you failed?
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« Reply #18237 on: 13/03/2021 02:44:24 »
What can I say to make you see? You have a game, and it's driving you to extinction. If I didn't have kids I'm not sure I would mind, but I do. I do have kids and I do mind. You're taking a planet with you.
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« Reply #18238 on: 13/03/2021 03:23:12 »
The game you play.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/12/mathias-cormann-australia-new-head-oecd
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« Reply #18239 on: 13/03/2021 03:27:34 »
" The UN statement criticising the crackdown however removed language that explicitly condemned the coup and threatened possible further action from the British-drafted text, due to opposition by China, Russia, India and Vietnam. "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/11/myanmar-un-calls-for-utmost-restraint-from-military-but-stops-short-of-taking-action
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