[Ians Daddy]

quote:Originally posted by Jolyon

If the tensing is done in a particular way [which I am really at a loss to describe], it triggers waves of an electrical sensation which is generally a precursor to the goose bumps. These “waves” are quite specific in their movement and direction. They begin at the base of the skull just above the “muscle tensing “area then radiate outwards to my upper back and shoulders, then to my arms and finally my legs [most strongly at the front of my thighs]. It also moves around my head in a wave, like I was putting on a tracksuit hood [but no goose bumps manifest there as far as I can tell except on my neck]. I can increase the intensity of these waves,]

Wow, That's almost erotic. It was good for me. Think I'll have a smoke.

Do these "waves" go anywhere else? If so, I'd never leave the house.[:p]

I know people who practice Tantric Yoga describe "waves". I wonder if these are related somehow.

Ouch, my neck is sore and I'm dizzy from trying this.

[Jolyon (OP)]

Hhehehehehehehehehehheheheheheheheheeh!!!!!! Now I understand why you are described as an ADVANCED MEMBER! Unfortunately, mine is merely a JUNIOR so I can't really help you out on the old tantric front. [sorry more dick jokes]. []

[Ians Daddy]

Advanced, schmadvanced.....I'm just a "member". Don't let the "advanced" fool ya. I've disappointed more than a few. I married my wife because she couldn't read a ruler. We divorced when someone showed her what six inches realy was. []
D!ck jokes are as contagious as yawns.

[Jolyon (OP)]

Chris, [or anyone for that matter]
Any thoughts on the sleep apnia idea I raised earlier?  Or am I stabbing wildly in the dark without a knife?

[chris]

Whilst breathing is an automatic process, upon which we can superimpose voluntary control, the pathways that control breathing are not part of the traditional 'autonomic nervous system' and originate from a respiratory centre in the brainstem. This centre integrates inputs from various sources including chemical receptors which continuously 'taste' the blood to tell how acidic it is and how much oxygen the blood is carrying, sensory receptors from the lungs that tell how inflated they are, sensory signals originating from your limbs that stimulate breathing when you exercise, autonomic inputs which boost the respiratory rate when you are frightened, and voluntary inputs that enable you to take big breaths when asked to do so by the doctor.

Chris

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

[Donnah]

Jolyon, I think it's great that you can control goose bumps.  Bet if you practiced you could have some interesting extra-sensory experiences, or have you already?

[the_kizmet_zephyr]

I came across this topic searching for others who are also able to control parts of their sympathetic nervous system.  I too am able to control my goosebumps...making them appear on a certain arm or leg or all of my limbs.  I can also make them go away at will.  I also can control my heart rate when I want to.  It is definitely a conscious effort.  I spoke with a college anat/phys professor at one time and she told me that only a handful of people are able to do this.  Apparently we are in the company of Yogis (sp) and such who can slow their heart rate and even change its rhythm.  With practice we are supposedly able to control our temperature and some other bodily functions which are normally not within our control.  This college prof. also suggested I be studied at a university because she thinks people like us may have the skill of telekinesis (moving objects with only your mind) Go figure...  It's kind of bizarre, who knows.  Basically I think we are just very in tune to ourselves, our thoughts, our feelings, especially our physical feelings.  My theory is that we are able to record a physical feeling, interpret it, and then sort of "replay it" at will.  It is a reminder of just how much control we truly have over our bodies and minds!

[Mens Militis]

I, like Cannabinoid, have studied the art of meditation, although I have never really gone deep enough to do much. The closest I could get is to increase my heart rate, but could never slow it down. However, I have known people who could which was proven by another counting their pulse. I believe that there are many things that we can do with our minds that have been repressed by the fears of religious superstition, and I would be greatly interested in studying this further.

In the case of the goosebumps, if, as Chris says, they can be triggered by thinking cold thoughts or such, which is a mental trick without actual stimuli, why couldn't they be brought on by mental concentration without the false stimuli?

I  can't explain the "waves" that Jolyon describes, but I too feel what I imagine is the same thing in one form of meditation that I do. It is very simple but helps to calm myself down before going to sleep. I will briefly explain the process so that you all can try it, and perhaps feel these waves yourself. The waves, however are controlled, in this form they do not voluntarily shoot across the body as with the goosebumps.

It is preferred that there be no noise in the room, but I use new age or relaxation music to help my concentration. You lay flat on your back on a bed or comfortable surface with legs straight and arms flat by your side. Let your head lay softly on a comfortable pillow (sometimes I use three pilows to support the sides of my head), but try to keep your body as flat as possible without using any muscles. Close your eyes and relax as completely as possible. Once your are comfortable, begin with one toe on a foot and concentrate on it, focus on relaxing it until you feel it tingle a little. Once it tingles, do all five toes, then up the foot, then continue slowly up the leg. Move from one area to the next only when the previous tingles always focus on relaxing that part (sometimes I even repeat "Relax" in my head as if commanding that body part). Once the one leg is done, move to the next and repeat the process. After the legs, move up the torso and chest, then do the arms up to the shoulder starting with fingers as with the legs and toes. Finally focus on your upper shoulders, then neck, then finally head and face. Usually by here, I am getting close to falling asleep. As you move from part to part, you can feel the tingling spread to each part as its being focused on. After completed, you can feel your whole body tingle, which feels very similar to me like the tingle you get before goosebumps.

This may take a little while to get right because it can take a lot of concentration. Any time a thought enters your head, just return to the body part and focus on it.

I get some really serious tension head aches to where I can actually feel the back of my neck spasm, and with this relaxation technique, I have learned how to control them, and even stop them at times.

Any how, just thought I would share this technique and perhaps allow you to demonstrate for yourselves how we believe that bodily functions can be controlled via concentration.

Mens Militis

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details" - Einstein

[Rick]

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Jolyon,

I can also produce goosebumps at will.  I was curious about this "ability" so conducted an internet search on the topic.  This website was the first site that came up on the search results.  Unlike you, I can't control my pulse rate.  In order for me to produce the goosebumps, I have to close my eyes and concentrate slightly.  Each time that I do this, it creates a wave starting at my temples and flows to my legs.  It seems that the goosebumps only show up on my legs.  Please let me know if your experience is similar.
 
 

[Rick]

T O P I C    R E V I E W
Jolyon,

I can also produce goosebumps at will.  I was interested in this "ability", so I conducted an internet search on the topic. However, I can't seem to control my pulse rate.  In order to produce the goosebumps, I have to close my eyes and concentrate slightly. Each time I do this, I can create waves at will that start at my temples and flow to my legs. The goosebumps normally only show up on my upper thigh. Please let me know if your experience is similar.

Thanks

[superken]

Is nice that you can control yourself anytime to have goosebumps, I can do the samething too. It was an old man teaching me from the way of breathing, so is more like a breathing skill, when I was teach by the old man, he said some can be already do it without teaching, some can be teach to have that effect, and which is, thats the first part of the breathing skill, you can probably get some history articles in chinese website, thats call 氣功. In a higher state of the breathing skill, you can control your body temputure, blood flow go faster, and heal yourself, and able to heal others with the skill. This is my msn,  superken2000@hotmail.com if you wanna know more about this.

[superken]

And, you can do it by breathing, and not by breathing, also, you can do it with concentrate and not concentrate which is control your will at a normal state of your mind. Which is you can do it while you driving the car, or walking. Also my old man told man, if you were the kind that can control it, you have the will to do many different things which normal person cant do, in other words, this is a special type of genes in human body, or you can say is a 3rd generation of human.

[lanem]

After searching the internet about this topic, this is the first time I've found something about it.  I have been able to produce goosebumps for as long as I can remember, since I was a child.  I can do it at will, standing outside in the Southern U.S. humid heat, without having to control breathing or tightening muscles.  Like Jolyon, they spread down in waves over my entire body, I even feel them on my face.       

[Kinesis]

I too can control the flow of energy from the Medulla Oblongata to any part of my body I concentrate on. When I was a child, these waves of goosebump-causing electricity would occur spontaneously whenever I had mystical thoughts.

At first, they happened when I would watch a movie with mystical scenes or listen to certain choral music. Then they would happen when I would hear a raven or see an Irish landscape, etc. All things ancient and mystical could cause them. These spontaneous occurrences started when I was very young.

In time, I learned to produce them at will, and can now send them to any part of my body in intense degree if necessary. It is an ability that can be greatly developed with practice. Concentration is necessary, and I used to notice an increase in breath rate just afterward--but have now reached a point where I can do it without affecting breathing. I can do it with or without closing my eyes... indeed I am doing it while I type this.

These exercises do not have any adrenaline-like effect on me, though they do have an effect on my skin. Not only do I notice goosebumps in areas I'm sending energy to, but the skin becomes softer, more healthy in time. I am experimenting in healing sunburn with this technique.

Here's an interesting bit I just recently learned... my now-deceased paternal grandmother apparently could do it too. My aunt was telling me stories about her and said her mother used to judge a person's spiritual level by the 'goosebump affect' they had on her. So perhaps there's a hereditary element to this ability??? When she was on her death bed (multiple strokes, she was in her mid-nineties), I noticed how young and soft her skin was, but didn't make the connection at the time.

My sister and father don't have the ability. Nor do his siblings as far as I know (I've asked my father--and his sister, my aunt, would've mentioned it when she told the story I think).

I have a gut feeling that this ability, if developed and used wisely, can be used to heal. I can use it to will myself energy when I'm fatigued, though I haven't experienced long-lasting energy. I will keep developing this ability and will report back if any new developments occur. Meanwhile, if you wish to contact me about this, my email is tarmacfish@yahoo.com

-Steve

 

[Serious]

I too can control goosebumps, and the feeling that occurs when they are created is exactly as Jolyn explained with the wave description. I have also noticed a unusual knack for controlling blood flow. I have not really tried to strengthen these abilities although I would love to have some suggestions on how to as well as what else I may be capable of doing.

Eagerly awaiting your responses

PS (Just to sound like a complete madman,although I promise what I say is the truth, I also have a tendency to pick up surface thoughts from people, those who also get goosebumps might like to give it a try, start out trying to pick a single digit number from someone, it takes  lack of concentration, you want to try to do it, but not think what the number is otherwise conscious suggestion takes over, just let anything wonder into your head it comes across as a fleeting suggestion)

also how many of those who display these abilities were born late feb early march?

[Kinesis]

I know when someone is thinking about me (no matter the distance). They just pop into my thoughts and I pick up the phone... and they invariably say, "I was just thinking about you!". This happens with people I haven't talked to in years as well as those I'm in frequent contact with. The only caveat is that I must have a real connection with them. In other words, I have to care about them and relate to them on some deeper level. I haven't yet developed the ability to pick up their individual thoughts, but that would be fun... maybe I'll try that next.

I don't have any experience with controlling my pulse, but I can tell you that the key to sending the 'goosebumps' to a specific region is concentration. Say you want to send the energy to your right big toe. You might practice curling the toe; flexing the toe muscles at the highest possible level; or focusing your attention acutely on the sensations coming from the toe (temperature, air flowing past the skin, etc).

This increases your capacity to really focus your will and consciousness upon that location. You will then realize that sending the 'goosebump' energy to that location is effortless. In the beginning, it may originate at the base of the skull and move in a wave down the body to that location... but it *will* make it to the location you desire and remain as long as you hold it there. Later, it will arrive almost instantly at the point you desire...

I haven't yet been able to send the energy into another person's body, but I'm working on it...

-Steve

[Prem]

OK guys I'm new to this but I too can clear goose bumps but haven't progressed into "creating" them as of yet and any advise would be appreciated. But I also have some Ideas to what this is.
Firstly has any one here heard of nuero feedback, cause this is what I thought I was doing. Sure nuero feedback involves being aware of the brain's activity but what if that is what is happening and to quote one of you guys we are just "replaying" what our brain has done by it's self. I don't claim to be any kind of expert but any help would be great. Also for those of you who can "create" goose bumps could you help me with this.

[Templer65]

Interesting to note that I am not the only one who can do this. Yes it seems a parlor trick. Its not a genetic thing thats for sure. I have been able to do this for as long as I can remember also, but neither my parents, brother or children are able to. I am also able to slow and raise my heart rate somewhat, but have limited practice at this (seems kind of scary to do it to long); and can "pop" my ears at will.  [ Glad to see I am not the only one.

The goose bumps, for me, seem to be generated by a tensing method around the temples of my head, from there the goosebumps generated in waves down my shoulders to the arms, with prolonged effort(1-2 minutes) they progress to my legs (definitely the front of them) eventually my chest and back also.

Heat does not seem to be a variable as I can create them when I am cold or warm, even stop them. Walking home from work takes about 20 minutes and I can hold off goosebumps or even sweating for the duration with conscious thought. But if I am interrupted the sweating and natural cooling takes over and I have a harder time stopping it again. When I get home I stop trying to control it and let my body have its natural reactions, its over faster this way. And my shirts don't cling to me...lol.

Never tried to direct it to one part of my body but sure it works.

Clearing goosebumps to me is halting the tensing action. Try pushing/stimulating - usually begin with a positive/exciting emotional  thought.

Questions: When you go to sleep, do you go to sleep fast? and does your body react with the first dream. i.e I dream of stepping off a curb and my leg jerks waking me back up. (My spouse is then mad at me for falling asleep just seconds after our last conversation). Is there a connection?

[Andrew K Fletcher]

I just managed to get some shivers down my spine and my hair follicles are definitely on overdrive, got a chill all over my body and possibly an understanding of the process.

Occasionally we get scared, well not scared exactly but aware of something that we can’t see or touch, yet it is more than capable of sending shivers down the spine and inducing goose bumps. For example, my garden shed in the dark, we draw straws to see who is going to get the dogs tripe out of the freezer in the shed. Many times we can go in but on occasions you get the distinct feeling that someone or something is about to breath down your neck, you can almost feel the cold breath on the back of your neck and sense something unnatural standing behind you.

Now, doing what you suggested at the back of your neck sounds a little like what our imagination does to us when we are about to run like hell for no apparent reason other than something is breathing down our neck and about to whisper something we definitely don’t want to hear.

So it is possible to send a chill down the spine that could induce goose bumps and  equally possible to learn how to induce this sensation at will, which brings me to an interesting observation some 3 years ago while in a supermarket. My family have a fear of touching metal objects because we tend to discharge electricity that often causes a fairly audible cracking noise as the sparks leap from our fingertips. Not much fun for the girl at the check out till in the supermarket who receives an unpleasant jolt as the spark leaps to her fingers.  We put this down to static build up from the shopping trolley, but quickly realised it did not always relate to the supermarket.

While my son and I were happily discharging our unwanted volts to each other, I managed to zap him a good one. By all accounts this should have completely discharged me. I was not holding on to a trolley immediately after zapping him so did not expect to have any charge in my body. However, I felt a really weird sensation go up my spine and into the nape of my neck, like that cold chill we talked about earlier but this one made what little hair I have on my head stand to attention. Out of curiosity and possibly science, or sheer devilment more like, I lifted my finger up towards Jason’s ear, who incidentally didn’t flinch because he was confident that I could not have charged within 1 minute of zapping him previously. How wrong he was when a huge spark zapped from my fingers to his ear causing him to yell out. I have no doubt that this spark was sufficient to ignite a flammable liquid or gas.

Does this fit with your own experiences?

Andrew

[Michaelmoon]

Nice to know we are not alone! Does anyone know of the yogi connection with this and other control of 'reflex'? I hope you all can let go of the control and let things happen when you want them to,
Cheers
Michael