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Progesterone needs to be tested!people need to get a baseline test done and at least try taking it once or twice so we have some more data to work with. Defsync you have basically already volunteered for genetic engineering and Frankenstein like surgeries
As men age from 50 to 70, their testosterone levels drop more than 40%, causing them to become fatter, and less sexual, muscular and assertive and have smaller, weaker bones (7,11). 20% of men aged 60-80 years have testosterone levels below the lower limit of normal. Giving testosterone to normal men over 65 years of age causes them to lose fat, principally in the arms and legs, and increase muscle and bone size, principally in the trunk (1,12). Testosterone is an effective treatment for depression in older men (13). A study in the American Journal of Psychiatry shows that men who are mildly depressed have much lower levels of the male hormone, testosterone, than men who are severely crippled by depression and men who have no depression at all (1a).Men with low blood testosterone levels are at high risk for heart attacks (3, 2), even though testosterone pills lower blood levels of the good HDL cholesterol and increase a man's chances of getting a heart attack. Men with the highest testosterone levels have the lowest blood insulin levels which prevents heart attacks (3). Insulin is necessary to keep blood sugar levels from rising too high, but it also can increase your chances of getting a heart attack by causing arteries to constrict, and making you fat by causing hunger and forcing your liver to make extra fat from the extra calories that you consume. Testosterone injections can make older men with low blood levels of testosterone more interested in making love (4,5,6). The only reported significant side effect is an increase in the concentration of red blood cells that could cause clots. Two major theoretical concerns about prescribing testosterone to older men are that they may cause a heart attack or spread an existing prostate cancer. However, only testosterone pills have been shown to lower blood levels of the good HDL cholesterol and cause heart attacks. Testosterone injections and skin patches do not (8,9,12). Studies from Chicago Medical School (10) showed that men 60 to 75 years of age who take very low doses of the male hormone, testosterone, (25 to 50 mg) weekly for two years have lower blood cholesterol levels, less body fat and greater muscle strength. Their prostates did not enlarge and their PSA blood test did not rise. More research is needed, but older men who take testosterone, should take injections or patches, rather than pills, and have their prostates checked by physical exam, sonogram and a blood test called free PSA.Side effects of testosterone include androgen-sensitive epilepsy, migraine, sleep apnea, polycythemia or fluid overload. It is illegal for Olympic athletes to take testosterone.
Testosterone injections can make older men with low blood levels of testosterone more interested in making love (4,5,6). The only reported significant side effect is an increase in the concentration of red blood cells that could cause clots. Two major theoretical concerns about prescribing testosterone to older men are that they may cause a heart attack or spread an existing prostate cancer. However, only testosterone pills have been shown to lower blood levels of the good HDL cholesterol and cause heart attacks. Testosterone injections and skin patches do not (8,9,12). Studies from Chicago Medical School (10) showed that men 60 to 75 years of age who take very low doses of the male hormone, testosterone, (25 to 50 mg) weekly for two years have lower blood cholesterol levels, less body fat and greater muscle strength. Their prostates did not enlarge and their PSA blood test did not rise. More research is needed, but older men who take testosterone, should take injections or patches, rather than pills, and have their prostates checked by physical exam, sonogram and a blood test called free PSA.Side effects of testosterone include androgen-sensitive epilepsy, migraine, sleep apnea, polycythemia or fluid overload. It is illegal for Olympic athletes to take testosterone.
POIS is not necessarily a malady *caused* by orgasm. POIS is an illness that we have all the time, something unrelated to orgasm--such as depression, chronic fatigue, IBS, arthritis, or some other auto-immune disorder. It's just that abstaining from orgasm is a powerful coping mechanism for our other illness because doing so gradually builds our hormone and neurotransmitter-related resiliency. And orgasm--a temporary blow to our neurochemical buffer and strength--allows whatever illness we have to return to prominence. This explains why we all have such varied symptoms and treatments that work for us; we all have different illnesses, but what we all have in common is that orgasm worsens it. Perhaps we are a bit too focused on the orgasm mechanism itself, ignoring what the symptoms point to--something possibly right underneath our noses.
Quotewhat about the 95+% of people on this site who get ignored by there doctors because all the tests come out just fine, with in normal ranges. if everybody on this site had a hormone imbalance, then their doctor would do hormone augmentation and fix there pois. pois would be a simple disease and everybody would be fixed. i am simple saying that progesterone is acting like a major immune suppressor that needs to be taken before O. if my test(36 hours after O) shows that my levels are two to tree times a regular males progesterone, how is taking more progesterone going to help at that point, it would be hard to argue that i am deficient in progesterone and that taking morewill fill a void in the body. high levels of progesterone is not causing the problems either because i tested the progesterone outside of pois and it did not precipitate symptoms of pois.I had normal ranges according to my own several drs & neuro with a total testosterone numberof 300 range 250 - 780 Not only until did my own research and with help of others going through same thingthat something wasnt right here. Found out the top range was for late teens to early 20swhen ofc testosterone is at its highest in a males life butstill they said it was normal for an early 20s male to have this 300 total test levelcomparable to a healthy 60yr old. What tests were taking in these 95% of people on this site? I bet there wasnt enoughtypes of testing done ie amino acids+vitamin+mineral urine, Thyroid free t3+free t3 TSH,prolactin, pregnenolone, progesterone shbg, total t+free/bio testosterone, estradiol,4x saliva cortsiol, dhea serum, dht, toxic metal/elements hair analysis, Rhiens full hormone panel 24hr urinetoo see how one metabolises/uses up their hormones and many more which can all effect the symptoms one feels after orgasm.Also were the tests done in severe POIS mode or were they donewhen one was feeling not too bad? How about doing the same tests in pois mode andnot in POIS mode to see if any changes occur ?
what about the 95+% of people on this site who get ignored by there doctors because all the tests come out just fine, with in normal ranges. if everybody on this site had a hormone imbalance, then their doctor would do hormone augmentation and fix there pois. pois would be a simple disease and everybody would be fixed. i am simple saying that progesterone is acting like a major immune suppressor that needs to be taken before O. if my test(36 hours after O) shows that my levels are two to tree times a regular males progesterone, how is taking more progesterone going to help at that point, it would be hard to argue that i am deficient in progesterone and that taking morewill fill a void in the body. high levels of progesterone is not causing the problems either because i tested the progesterone outside of pois and it did not precipitate symptoms of pois.
Some Food For Thought:POIS is not necessarily a malady *caused* by orgasm. POIS is an illness that we have all the time, something unrelated to orgasm--such as depression, chronic fatigue, IBS, arthritis, or some other auto-immune disorder. It's just that abstaining from orgasm is a powerful coping mechanism for our other illness because doing so gradually builds our hormone and neurotransmitter-related resiliency. And orgasm--a temporary blow to our neurochemical buffer and strength--allows whatever illness we have to return to prominence. This explains why we all have such varied symptoms and treatments that work for us; we all have different illnesses, but what we all have in common is that orgasm worsens it. Perhaps we are a bit too focused on the orgasm mechanism itself, ignoring what the symptoms point to--something possibly right underneath our noses.
ProlactinMany POIS sufferers and I experienced this one too have extremely long refractory periods after an orgasm compared to before POIS. Not common to read after an orgasm one doesnt feel the urge to have another for days or weeks. Prolactin causes this and also lowers testosterone and dopamine, reducing well being, focus, social withdrawl, good mood,and can cause heavy brain fog.
FYI everyone, "reuniting" discusses POIS in her new book! (And she has been a great friend of this forum to boot)
hey demo, have you thought about envelope mailing letters to the ppl at the Mayo Clinic?there are no filters for self-addressed stamped mailed envelopes =)
perhaps throw this up on the other POIS website....?
Some Food For Thought:POIS is not necessarily a malady *caused* by orgasm. POIS is an illness that we have all the time, something unrelated to orgasm--such as depression, chronic fatigue, IBS, arthritis, or some other auto-immune disorder. ......
Hello, Please help me. POIS makes work, school, relationships and life in general very difficult.Thank you.Also, POIS is real. It is not in my mind. it doesnt matter how I feel emotionally or physically before orgasm. I always have the same symptoms afterwards.
here's the thing.... tons of men have had tests showing low testosterone levels n low almost everything levels you've mentioned, but you dont find ANY literature ANYWHERE listing POIS type symptoms as symptoms of these low levels.
If it was as easy as hormonal imbalance, there would have been decades of POIS type symptoms show up as a result of these hormonal imbalances. And also realize, that say in the case of someone like me, who has gone from marine corps infantry, top physical condition, vitamins and a rigid diet regimen, to fat-butt sitting on a computer all day eating crap, no where from one extreme to another did my POIS symptoms change, not one single bit. And Im going to guarantee you, even without a medical degree, that my hormonal ranges differed quite substantially from one extreme to the other.