[Vandemolen3]

I am now 2,5 weeks without an O or big arousal. I don't have the sick feeling like after an O. But my joints and muscles are not 100 % even without POIS. And I am still tired and feeling down. I have got moist eyes when I wake up.

Maybe we've got longterms complaints and an O only worsen it. It could be something psychological. Ten years ago before I had POIS sometimes I masturbated 2 hours long. It's logical than your back, your joints and muscles hurt. It might be that I associate arousal and an O with pain. And my body reacts to that thought.

[tough]

"A wise man should consider that health is the greatest of human blessings, and learn how by his own thought to derive benefit from his illnesses."
- Hippocrates

Each day the POIS condition put us under huge stress, it may kick in, its just sad to think of having sex, its effects our work-life, productive-life, personal-life and relationships. Some days we can speak, others our tongue get caught. The picture is grim, but I hope guys (and girls) that on the whole we are healthy with not too many major health complications.

Till further understanding and cure comes about, I hope we each try and find what POIS may have helped us with and stay strong and connected till the days of emancipation comes about. 

[demografx]

Heart problems? Demo is still alive. Haha.

No! I am writing this from The Great Beyond.

[CertainlyPOIS]

To me whatever is causing pois has to deal with mitochondria because several stimulant    
Without feeling anything for example redline pills did nothing nd
my friends that use describe this intense energy they get.
The lack of energy in pois feels quite diffrent from ehaustion Acter sports.
Mitochondria is the source of energy in the body nd a problem is a good explanation energy pills don't work nd fatigue is so intense. I also do believe whatever solution there is for pois will also hep cfs. Ma

[Puscar]

BTW, has anyone tried the RegenX pituitary homeopathhic supplements for pois ?

[Puscar]

Dear folks,

Here's what had a markedly positive effect on my pois, albeit temporary. Blood electrification (check out Bod Beck's protocol) with Systemic enzzme supplementation (these are antiinflamatory and widely used in Germany). But I do not see these are proper solutions for POIS. They seem to reduce the symptomps, but once you stop this protocol, pois may return. Nevertheless, I think there's a chance that blood electrification, if done to completion could regenerate the body to such an extent they it may literally eliminate POIS for good (I draw this conclusion from the fact that BE has been used successfully against Cancer and Aids). I stopped Blood electirification after two weeks (which is not supposed to be a sufficient duration for this therapy) because it gave me seroius brain fog. Next time I try this protocal, I'm gonna reduce the intensity of the current. 

I prefer holistic methods that heal rather than pop a pill method. I see most of the posts here are directed at finding the root cause and looking for the right pill. (Maybe we could let nature run its course and try holistic method that regenerate and strengthen the body from the core). I am quite sure that some Yoga poses meant to improve brain blood flow, if done diligently for three months continuously will wipe out POIS or any other mystery disease for that matter. You just gotta be dligent and regular with this. Checkout youtube video of Ramdev for this. He recommends some accupressure and Yoga poses (and breathing exercises especially, kapalbhati and anulombilom) to be practiced regularly to obliterate any aberration in sexual function.

If anyone's done anything in this line, please hit me with feedback.

[Puscar]

Just last week I had an ACTH stimulation test, which tests for the functioning of the adrenal glands, hopefully when I get the results for this it'll clear up if adrenal fatigue has any play.
 [xx(]

Waiting anxiously. Green, please make sure you tell us how it comes out.

[martin88]

Perhaps Dr Waldinger's study will help to answer. Was this treatment effective also for fatigue?

Unfortunately for me it doesn't help a great deal on the fatigue side of things, but for myalgia there is definetly a positive difference, it's certianlly more effective if taken before orgasm say 1/2 hour prior or so.

Thanks Green for these helpful precisions. For me fatigue (mental and physical) is the most annoying problem in POIS.

To me whatever is causing pois has to deal with mitochondria because several stimulant   
Without feeling anything for example redline pills did nothing nd
my friends that use describe this intense energy they get.
The lack of energy in pois feels quite diffrent from ehaustion Acter sports.
Mitochondria is the source of energy in the body nd a problem is a good explanation energy pills don't work nd fatigue is so intense. I also do believe whatever solution there is for pois will also hep cfs. Ma

Same for me, energy supplements don't work in POIS, even if they're effective out of POIS.

[Vandemolen3]

Hey everyone,
It has been awhile since I last posted. I have been following the forum. I am glad to read that Relora is helping some people.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I have now been taking Relora three times a day since last October. The results have been life changing. I have not had any of the symptoms of POIS since October. I have orgasms everyday and most of the time more than once per day. Everything still seems great.

Thanks!!

Hello Tarkington,
I am glad that you are healed. I think also that the problem is too high cortisol. I've got a few questions:

* When did you let your blood checked for cortisol? One day after an O?
* What did the doctor said about your high cortisol? Most doctors don't know POIS. When they see high cortisol they will try to make a connection with the Syndrome of Cushing.

Maybe your answers will help others.


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[Vandemolen3]

P.S. It's better to see a doctor than taking Relora by yourself. In most cases the cortisol is too high because of bad functioning Adrenal glands or the pituitary.

[demografx]

I think that sexual stimulation is part of POIS

Several people have also reported that, but stimulation has absolutely no effect on me personally.

I think that sexual stimulation is part of POIS

Several people have also reported that, but stimulation has absolutely no effect on me personally.

Same with me.  However, looking at pornography can make things worse.  Also, if I get really close to orgasm, I often can't just stop everything and go back to normal.  I'll feel quite tense.  I don't think this is specific to POIS, I think this is normal.  This makes me think it would be hard to follow Marnia's (sex without orgasm) suggestions.

A number of people here feel that sex without orgasm is a difficult idea. Here is what "reuniting" says:


"It takes a bit of practice to find the "karezza groove," but this kind of lovemaking is not about riding the edge of orgasm. It really is about relaxed intercourse. This possibility seems apocryphal at first because we've trained ourselves to go for orgasm as fast as possible. But as you slow things down, or even just focus on exchanging affection for a time without intercourse, your brain balance improves and that's when subtler pleasures become surprsingly satisfying. You don't need to go near the edge.
 
Keep in mind that other primates often use rather passionless sex without orgasm as a way of strengthening bonds. Here's an interesting bit of recent research: http://www.reuniting.info/node/4211. I contacted the lead scientist personally and he confirmed that it's unlikely the monkeys always ejaculate even when they mount. In the experiment he counted mere erections as "sexual activity " too, so no climax in those particular statistics either.
 
Maybe we're closer to other primates than we think...at  least at a nervous-system level. Maybe a more relaxed approach to sexual behavior would be better for lots of us than today's focus on extreme stimuli (that were nothing like our ancestors' circumstances as our brains evolved) and rapid climax."

Any thoughts or comments?

ANYONE?

[Vandemolen3]

I am conviced that POIS = Syndrome/Dissease of Cushing.

In any case both have the same cause.

A raise of cortisol is for a part because of stress. And an O brings stress. The other part of a high cortisol is because of a bad functioning adrenal glands or the pituitary.

[demografx]

From the above post: "A number of people here feel that sex without orgasm is a difficult idea. Here is what "reuniting" says:"

Just to repeat for those of you who don't know, "reuniting" is a POIS forum member and friend, sexual relationship expert, and author of this book which has some excellent POIS insights:


               

[demografx]

Perhaps Dr Waldinger's study will help to answer. Was this treatment effective also for fatigue?

Unfortunately for me it doesn't help a great deal on the fatigue side of things, but for myalgia there is definetly a positive difference, it's certianlly more effective if taken before orgasm say 1/2 hour prior or so.

Thanks Green for these helpful precisions. For me fatigue (mental and physical) is the most annoying problem in POIS.

To me whatever is causing pois has to deal with mitochondria because several stimulant   
Without feeling anything for example redline pills did nothing nd
my friends that use describe this intense energy they get.
The lack of energy in pois feels quite diffrent from ehaustion Acter sports.
Mitochondria is the source of energy in the body nd a problem is a good explanation energy pills don't work nd fatigue is so intense. I also do believe whatever solution there is for pois will also hep cfs. Ma

Same for me, energy supplements don't work in POIS, even if they're effective out of POIS.

Martin, fatigue is absolutely the worst part for me.

I also share your experience with energy supplements, including caffeine, and stimulants. They have limited effect during POIS.

In fact, my blood pressure seems to increase significantly during POIS and I think adding excessive stimulants can be dangerous.

[demografx]

I know that this discussed earlier, but has one of the new users experimented with Viagra? Viagra raises testosterone....

At first, I thought Levitra was a cure for my POIS. I didn't realize that it actually raised testosterone, thank you for that insight. I was taking testosterone injections at the time, so I was not certain which to give credit.

But I am convinced now that testosterone (in patch form) is the predominant reason, by far, for my dramatic POIS improvement.

[demografx]

Supracarbohydrate POIS treatment!  []

Yesterday, I was impatient waiting for my 80% to 90% POIS cure, so I experimented to hasten the cure with a heavy dose of carbohydrates!

Lots of lasagna. Iced espresso. Large oatmeal cookie.

It seemed to work! (Placebo effect? Maybe [])

Placebo or not, some of you may recall, that I have always historically craved carbohydrates at POIS onset. I realize that this goes counter to some of your experiences that indicate that carbohydrates can be POISon. []

[Vandemolen3]

I know that this discussed earlier, but has one of the new users experimented with Viagra? Viagra raises testosterone....

At first, I thought Levitra was a cure for my POIS. I didn't realize that it actually raised testosterone, thank you for that insight. I was taking testosterone injections at the time, so I was not certain which to give credit.

But I am convinced now that testosterone (in patch form) is the predominant reason, by far, for my dramatic POIS improvement.

OK.
What do you think of my Syndrome of Cushing-theory?

[Green]

Heart problems? Demo is still alive. Haha.

No! I am writing this from The Great Beyond.

There is POIS in heaven also?  [:-'(] Dooomed.

[Green]

I will gladly post up the ACTH test results as soon as I get them, but for that it's going to be quite a waiting game, my next endo appointment is early November, I'll see if I can get it moved to an earlier date, it's pretty stressful waiting around for results.

[Vandemolen3]

I will gladly post up the ACTH test results as soon as I get them, but for that it's going to be quite a waiting game, my next endo appointment is early November, I'll see if I can get it moved to an earlier date, it's pretty stressful waiting around for results.

Maybe you can call for the results. They have the results in 1 up to 2 weeks max.
Tommorow I will call my familydoctor to send me to the endo. I will ask for a cortisol research and a mri scan for adrenal glands or the pituitary.